This is my point exactly - it’s OK to slag people off for being attractive and taking care of their appearance - blowing them off, referring to them as a “bit of fluf” etc, etc. People seem to have no problem making rude comments about the prettiest girl in the room. I have NEVER heard someone say "Oh forget her - all she ever thinks about is her *Brain[/].
It’s a bit annoying, actually…
Funny how this thread about the merits of intelligence has more typos than any thread I’ve ever seen.
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While I think you have a point, people with high IQ’s do have to occasionally put up with comments that they’re know it alls, always have to right, or they automatically think they’re better than someone simply because they go to college or some other institution.
Betcha none of you pretty faces have ever been called a fucking know it all for trying to correct misinformation. Or accused of being rude when disagreeing with someones opinion. And yes I have been told “Oh she’s a brain…I couldn’t date her” Yeah, its a breeze growing up with an interest in improving one’s mind…
Actually, as the “Pretty Face” in question, I have to admit that I have never been told that I’m a “Fucking Know it All” or been accused of being “Rude” because of my intelligence.
This, however, is because I am smart enough to voice my opinions in a way which doesn’t trample on other peoples’ feelings, or make them feel small because they are less educated on a particular subject.
It has nothing to do with the fact that I have “Broad Physical Appeal”.
This thread relates to relationship, so I thought I’d put my $.02 into it
The cruelest paradox ever to be beset unto man:
By women, men are berated for their superficial, unrelenting want for sex. While by men, women are berated for their unquenchable need for emotional attatchment. But when it comes down to it, men (myself being one) like to get to know a girl before becoming romantically engaged with her, while women are attracted only until their initial impressions are taken to be deluded. Nature, you are such a bitch. Round one, FIGHT!
Does that mean that there is no problem with MY superficial, unrelenting want for sex? 
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Hmm. Okay. I guess the rest of us aren’t smart enough? Or maybe we have to deal with people that are completely ignorant? How many times have you had a disagreement with two people at the same time about how many states there are? 51 or 52? They both agreed that 50 was wrong, and since I’m a college student and didn’t agree with either of them than I was just making stuff up to assert my superior intelligence. Thanks for clarifying that.
Does that mean that there is no problem with MY superficial, unrelenting want for sex?
None, because I live in CANADA and don’t CARE how many states there are?
Or perhaps I know better than to argue about things of little or know consequence, but I Did start this thread…
Al. Who has no idea how many states there are, but makes fabulous butter tarts.
Make that NO consequence, SVP
Which is the more powerful?
When was the last time you heard of a kid having the crap kicked out of them for being too good looking?
When you’re too intelligent, you get too impatient with the lack of stimulating peers. There is no such thing as being too good looking.
When you’re good looking you have lots of friends. When you’re intelligent, you have few. The difference is in quantity vs quality.
Thanks to the wonders of modern western society, much of the world’s intellectual resources remain untapped, as kids are trained to aspire to mediocrity. Which, in turn, leads to intelligent people making asses of themselves to try and pass themselves off as ‘normal’.
Or, at least, that’s what my therapist tells me.
I worked with a moron (hey, I should use that as the title of my next film) who ran to my boss, trying to get me in trouble.
Pinky is using unprofessional language.
What did he say now?
He swore at me in front of a client!
Really?
Yes, he called me an obfuscator.
…well, yes, I guess I am mocking them…
Lemme see. I live in the U.S., and I meet U.S. citizens who don’t know how many states there are and this is irrelavent to what you are saying because you live in Canada. Got it.
Also you completely misconstrued the situation: they asked me who was right and when I disagreed with both of them they jumped on me.
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I suspect that you consider yourself to be good-looking and this is a rant about people who call you stuck up. If I’m wrong I apologize, but you are implying that every time someone gets called names due to their intelligence it is our fault because we are not “smart enough” to couch our comments so as not to offend others. That’s another way of saying people who have been called names due to their intelligence are ignorant. Also your quote above tramples on people’s feelings.
looking at both ends of the spectrum:
beautiful people advance the species through mating and take their physiology to a higher plane (unknowingly probaby :D). whereas people with highly devoloped minds, “intelligent ones” are advancing society, universal understanding, and expanding the collective processing power of mankind.
something like that anyway. 
essentially both do justice in advancing man, just in different ways/aspects.
whether intelligence or appearence is more important i cannot answer. i would think that is a question of personal taste or meaningless. asidely, all of our genetics are probably predisposed to answer that question at some level.
anyway, where the issue comes in personally and culturally speaking (i believe) is over a simple principle in life:
pleasure vs. pain.
“look great, have minimal intelligence” = little pain in life. easy pleasureful existance.
“look not great, have above average or high intelligence” = harder existance. not particularly pleasureful life.
myself, i would say there are many instances where the above is accurate, but just as many instances where it is not. however, while many do stereotype this theme - and while it is culturally re-enforced - i try not to, because when you get down to it. . . we are all just like snowflakes. different in our own individual ways, experiences. and temporary.
what the OP’s thoughts make me think. . .(if i can generalize) the hard working intelligent, average looking or less types are/“tend to get” jealous at the ease of which beautiful people seem to go thru life.
can you blame them?
course it’s more complicated than that eh, but that strikes me as a good chunk of the pie.
anyhow, i’m bored tonight, anyone up for some pointless invective? 
Ahh I see the point is if I get called names its my fault for knowing the right answer in the first place. Shit I wish I had been given a face that would allow me to act dumb… but who wants the dumb AND plain girl?
The hell with that…
Of course I don’t have a cite for this, but I sure wish I did. I probably read it in a magazine while waiting for an oil change…
Apparently it’s been determined that a person’s level of intelligence comes on the genes he/she gets from his/her mother, entirely. Therefore, if you are as smart as Einstein but marry Daryl Hannah, your children will be as dumb as posts.
Just something to think about.
I used to be astonishingly attractive a few years ago, so I probably didn’t get much credit for my brainpower. Now that I’m not quite as devastating as I used to be, my colleagues and acquaintances have discovered how smart I am.
There are lots of people who don’t strive to improve themselves either in brains or manners or looks, who brag about their shortcomings and belittle those of us who try to excel. It’s best not to be related to those people.
So it’s nice to have met all of you who have good vocabularies. You make my day.
Welcome to my childhood. People used to make fun of me for getting perfect grades. Then they made fun of me for not wanting to tell them what grade I got.
Now I have fun reminding people that my best assets ARE between my ears. (NOT THAT YOU SICKOS!)
You are wrong, and I accept your apology. I do consider myself good-looking, but people don’t call me stuck up. I also consider myself intelligent, but people don’t call me a fucking know it all. Also, this clearly, ISN’T a rant of any description. I haven’t been ranting.
Frankly, I didn’t start this thread so that people could come in here boo-hooing about how smart they are, and how all those rotten good looking people make life hard for them. I was just curious, as to why one characteristic that is genetically determined, seems so much more valued than another.
And for the record, I ALSO value intelligence more than looks - I’ve dated people that were average looking, but their smarts made them knock-outs and I’ve dated people that were gorgeous, but dumb as a bag of hammers. I prefer the former, thank you very much. I would also rather hang out with smart people - appearance never really comes into my friend selection.
I’ve heard many people say (not speaking about me, speaking about whoever) “Oh, s/he’s good looking, but that fades with age - there where will s/he be?” I suppose, they will be in the same place as someone that is very clever and develops Alzheimer’s Disease or Dementia.
Actually, no I’m not. Social skills and intelligence don’t come bundled - you may have one, you may have the other, you may have both. They are not the same thing.
Well guess what - EVERYBODY is ignorant about SOMETHING. I’m intelligent, and I don’t get called names. I don’t couch what I say, either. It’s possible to express yourself intelligently, without people calling you names. If people are calling you names, and you’re NOT in high school, perhaps you need to work on your delivery. That is my only point.
Well it shouldn’t - that wasn’t the intention. I believe the assumption was made that I’m some sort of goddess bemoaning the fact that smart people get more attention than me, or something. I certainly didn’t say that. I don’t even think I implied it, however the response has made my point.
If people think you are good looking, they feel free to attack you and say “Well, you may be good looking, but I’M smart.” Uh huh.
Alice, you made the comment that people never get insulted due to their intelligence and you implied that you believed yourself to be intelligent, and yet you had never been called a know-it-all or anything else due to your intelligence, and this was because you didn’t talk down to people. So for those of us who have been called know-it-alls (or worse, review the thread) we must have obviously done something to antagonize these people to the point of them verbally abusing us.
When I voiced this (that people do get unfairly abused because of intelligence, just as people get abused for being good-looking) and gave an example you posted this.
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Which implies that at the very least I had asked for the insult by getting involved in the conversation between two people who don’t know basic geography. Let me reiterate this: just because you have never been called names solely due to being intelligent doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen to other people. And if someone disagrees with you you don’t have to resort to snide remarks (I live in CANADA and don’t CARE how many states there are? etc).
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On a further note I wasn’t trying to boo-hoo; I was giving personal anecdotal evidence that people do get unfairly abused for being intelligent, just as people get called stuck-up simply for being good-looking.
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And just so we’re clear on this point, speaking for myself I never said this was okay. Check the first response to your OP, it was mine.
As for the rant comment I suspected that you had suffered an insult for taking care of yourself and had started this thread to A: look for support of your behavior and B: look for other people to slam people who make such ignorant comments. Not a rant in the traditional sense, but I think you can see the comparisons. But you told me I was wrong on this and I apologized (just wanted to clarify want I meant by rant). But at the same time I think you have unfairly categorized people who have been the victims of insults due to their intelligence as being poor in social skills.