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What kind of power do you think a fucking 15 yo has that evens out anything?
You expect that the 15 yo, thanks to his “male power” is as likely to coerce, manipulate or mislead a 30 yo woman as she is to coerce, manipulate or mislead him? Because if you think that they’re an equal footing thanks to “male power”, then it should be as likely that the 15 yo boy tricks or deceives the 30 yo woman into sex or a relationship as the other way around. Is that what you believe?
You think that because 50 yo male corporate executives accrue a disproportionate amount of power it somehow magically imbue 15 yo with “male power” that allows them to handle easily relationships with adults?
Do you also think that the minimum wage male worker about to be made redundant is in a situation of equality of power with the highly paid female manager of the human ressource department because he has “male power”? When you drop a dollar in the hat of a homeless beggar, you think he’s in a situation of equality with you because he has “male power”?
Can a 30 yo black man have sex with a 15 yo white boy because the latter’s “white power” makes up for the difference in age? If he’s Black and handicapped, can he also have sex with a 15 yo white girl? Can a 30 yo black female have sex with a 10 yo white boy who has both “male power” and “white power”?
This kind of ability to completely ignore individual realities and situations in favor of theoretical constructs is amazing.
What would this “biological reality” be? To begin with, I’m not convinced that there’s as much difference as people say from this point of view between boys and girls. I know that male teenagers (and men in general) are expected to be willing to fuck anything, but that’s not the case in reality. I had no interest in fucking any teacher as a teen, and I probably wasn’t the only one. Anybody past the age of 20 was fucking old in my mind. I had in fact a classroom mate who had some sort of relationship with a female teacher, and I was finding the sight of him kissing an old fart like that (she was maybe 35, so clearly ancient) quite disgusting, not the slightest bit appealing (yes, they would French kiss in front of everybody. Even for the time, it seems quite incredible that they would have done that, but whatever). And the reverse is true : there’s no lack of girls fantasying about their teachers. It’s essentially a trope that they do that, in fact. And finally, as several people have pointed already, it’s generally considered that girls tend to be more mature then boys, so if anything they should be more, not less, able to handle relationships with adults.
But even if there’s a very significant difference, I really don’t see how you could ascribe it to a “biological reality” rather than merely to culture. If you tell all boys, in all sort of ways (parent statements, movies, random comments on the internet) that of course they will naturally want to fuck adults women and that they’ll be happy they did, and tell all girls, in the same way, that of course they’ll find all adults creepy and will sorely regret it if something happen anyway, of course most boys will find the idea of fucking their teacher acceptable and even desirable and most girls will find the idea of fucking their teacher unacceptable and undesirable. Add to it the remains of concepts like expected female sexual purity, and even the simple idea that men and their sexual desires are generally expected to be "creepy"and disgusting, hence undesirable, while women and their sexual desires are pretty much never considered this way, but at the contrary as generally appealing, and it seems obvious to me that culture is going to play a huge part in observed behavior.
Even though it’s of course possible that biology has something to do with it, I don’t see how you can assume so much. Culture could very well explain all the differences (and, again, I think that the supposed differences are widely exaggerated to begin with).
And if we assume that boys would benefit from it, we assume that girls wouldn’t because of…what, exactly?
Yep, I was just about to post the same question. Swap the genders and throw in something about birth control (to either sentence really) and I don’t see why there’s any difference. It’s not like both sexes don’t need some instruction in how to do it properly.
Even without birth control. It’s not like ending up being a father at 15 is consequence-free. And there examples of that happening (a teenager fathering a kid with an older woman) and he’s definitely on the hook for child support for the next 18 years despite the mother’s action being deemed criminal.
(Note that in fact the age of consent is 15 over here, and I’m perfectly fine with it, so I’m mostly saying “15” because other people have been using this number. Make it a different age if you prefer.)
Oh, I agree completely! It’s just absurd that somehow this is different for girls than boys.
It’s the same old arguments against women in combat- it boils down to silly and sexist arguments that they’re not tough enough, are too pretty to get dirty/wounded/whatever, etc…
Yes, it’s a double standard, and yes it’s bad.
My remedy would be to throw the book just as hard at the women.
Unfortunately there’s an open and highly pervasive “high five” mentality about older women sleeping with younger men that will not allow that to happen until it is changed. I think it probably has something to do do with a belief that as long as a man is sexally aroused, it isn’t “real” assault
So a variation of the sex ed class seen in that Monty Python movie?? I’m all for that.
To the OP’s question,
The ONLY real difference is the possibility of pregnancy for a girl.
In all other aspects the actions are identical.
And yes, they should be treated as identical in all ways, from societal to criminal.
Yes, along with the similarly toxic gender stereotype that it’s somehow “unmanly” or “effeminate” for a man/boy not to be enthusiastic about sexual contact with any reasonably attractive woman. Constant indiscriminate horniness is equated with manliness.
A friend’s father was a high school teacher and mentioned that from time to time some of his female students would (if I am remembering his description correctly) “experiment with their budding sexuality by clumsily attempting to flirt with or seduce him”. He found a policy of impenetrable feigned obliviousness to their efforts usually sufficed, although in one instance when a girl was standing behind his chair casually rubbing her breasts on his shoulder he turned suddenly and “accidentally” elbowed her in the chest - not hard, but hard enough to break her mood - and then of course apologized for his clumsiness. She went away.
So let’s not assume that girls are any more (or less) hapless and unwilling participants in student-teacher relationships than boys are.
And it would be just as unethical and abusive for a female teacher to take advantage of a boy’s experimentation with his nascent sexuality as it would have been for your friend’s father to have responded to his student’s clumsy overtures.
I agree entirely. It does no good to treat the kids either as innocent naifs or as wanton horndogs when they are generally a huge confused mess of both at the same time and don’t need an adult taking advantage of their confusion in a way that has a high potential for long-term psychological damage, even if the students think it’s pretty darn nifty at the time.
I’ll believe it’s the same when male prostitution with female customers becomes just as prevalent as the other way around and yet they can charge the same prices.
…which has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with adults of either gender having sex with underage teenagers of either gender.
And men are sick of being objectified.
And studies show women think about sex just as much.
And it’s just as easy to walk into a place and seduce a woman as it would be a man.
And slut becomes equivalent to stud.
Whether it’s physiological, psychological, or cultural doesn’t really even matter. Fact is it is different right here and right now and won’t be equivalent for a long time, if ever
I think it’s pretty good evidence that males and females are not on equal ground when it comes to sex.
I would say you could extrapolate that down a couple years in age but there’s no need, because the same trend is prevalent regardless of age.
And then you have the numerous studies that while teen boys are obsessed with sex, teen girls are thinking in terms of relationships.
So if there’s sex involved, it’s highly likely that was not her primary interest.
A boy may be dragged into a relationship that was not his primary interest but we don’t forbid relationships, just sex
The key distinction here is whether you’re talking about social interactions, biological imperatives or legal repercussions. To borrow your example, the dynamics of - and demand for - (heterosexual) male prostitutes is different to that of female prostitutes, but both are breaking the same laws (generally speaking) and should be prosecuted equally.