Are black women looking better these days?

No. The point is that it was put forth as a serious theory, real scientists tested it for accuracy and determined that it was totally without foundation. To discuss it now as a “theory” would, indeed, be racist because there is no evidence to support it and the only reason to bring it up is to reintroduce racist ideas to a gullible audience that does not know enough science to realize that it is nonsense.

Which is a pretty good indication that the dominant white culture has so demonized black people that even their own language reflects those prejudices.

This actually sounds pretty much like the stereotypes that many people have of Italians and white Appalachians (sometimes called hillbillies). In other words, you are being rather selective in which stereotypes you are choosing to recall. (And I have known quite a few Italian-American and Appalachian families that followed these stereotypes, although I have not drawn the conclusion that all people behave this way because some do fit stereotypes.)

Probably because your great-grandparents were not slaves, while theirs were. You have to go back quite a few generations to find all these other slaves you want to talk about. They can probably call their slave ancestors by name. It lends a bit more immediacy to the discussion.

And I’ll bet that I’m not the only other white guy who posts here who has also worked as the white minority in a black environment who has not chosen to see the whole world through a filter of hatred.

Tom~

TOMNDEBB

What is it with you that you take any discussion that does not paint the Black race as angels and innocents as a discussion of hatred? Some Blacks I like and some I don’t, but then, I feel the same about all races. Hate, I think not.

See what I indicated in one of my previous posts? One cannot have a discussion about Blacks without being termed a racist, which is essentially what you are accusing me of.

Where I worked was a high crime area. During New Year’s Eve, we had to keep the patients cloistered away from the windows because of all of the wild gunshots. My car got broken into 20 minutes after I parked it at the front door and went in to get report. I spotted the BLACK MAN running away when I came out. The Black staff broke the rules and got away with it, but were damn quick to accuse any White staffer who did the same. The environment was supposed to be neutral concerning races, but the Black staff kept bringing up the race card in almost everything. In the security areas, none of us were allowed to carry even a pocket knife, but several of the Black staff did and one carried a straight razor. I never caught any of the White staff stealing, but I did catch several members of the Black staff doing so – while other Black staffers watched. Any White staff member who protested about the racial discrimination was promptly accused of being racist him or her self and the Black staff made much trouble for him or her. We lost several good, White staffers because they could not tolerate the double standard.

I dunno. Your ‘holier than thou’ attitude is beginning to irritate me. I think you’d sympathize with the Black guy who broke into my car that time, stole my CB and screwed up the electrical system of my car in doing so. You seem to ignore the simple fact that the majority of the current problems Blacks have are generated by Blacks. Whites have been bending over backwards for a couple of decades now to apologize, accept, reward, embrace and coexist with Blacks and frequently getting kicked in the teeth for their efforts.

In the mean time, many Blacks are rejecting these efforts and ‘creating’ a quasi-African Black culture. You really ought to read what the NOI says about Whites. No other ‘minority’ has been given the special privileges Blacks have gotten under antidiscrimination laws. They even have Black oriented books, magazines, programs, movies and schools. Whites don’t – and don’t give me that shit about Whites having everything else because every White business has to have Blacks in it and every White magazine must have at least Blacks in it, even as just advertisement.

I get pissed off when some Black guy tells me that Whitey treating him badly is why he did a drive by and shot the White guy, or why he can’t get a ‘good’ job, or why he lives in a ghetto. Encouraging the Black ‘Bad Ass’ image might have a thing or two to do with it, but if you mention that, you’re automatically a racist.

Hell, I’m damn tired of having to atone for things my ancestors of the past 200 years never did to Blacks. In my businesses I hired Blacks, and fired them at a ratio of two to one in comparison to Whites because most had an attitude that I owed them a job, that they were not being treated equally – which they were --, that the big company, with all of it’s money, would not miss things they stole and that they could present such attitudes to the customers. Not to mention those who felt that making them start at the bottom, along with everyone else, was disrespecting them. I gave them more chances that I gave the Whites, feeling guilty over their racial treatment, and not only had them stealing from me, but hiding to avoid work, then even trying to foment trouble with OTHER Blacks I had employed. (I learned NOT to hire any Black who had a name that even resembled anything from the NATION OF ISLAM religion because they had attitude dripping out of their eyes and if you gave them a bar of gold, they did not appreciate it, but DESERVED it and wanted more.)

When I hired Black girls in my brief restaurant career, I had more problems with them than with any other race. I caught them ‘heavy packing’ the budget take out dinners for their Black friends. (The friends would buy a $5.00 dinner and the girls would pack in $15.00 worth of food.) I watched them talk with their boyfriends who would pop in and ignore customers and any White manager I had was afraid to approach them on it because they would explode and the boyfriend would join in. Plus they would pack a box of food for him and not bother charging him for it.

Hispanics, Asians, Whites and Hindus rarely did this. Let the girls get those long, curly, expensively decorated nails and I had a major health problem because they didn’t like to wash their hands a whole lot.

I started cutting down on hiring Blacks and increased the hiring of Hispanics. Hispanic girls gave me MUCH less problems. You can discipline a Hispanic and they’ll get mad or something but they don’t pull the race card. Most of the Blacks did. I rarely had a Hispanic, White or Asian boyfriend show up after I fired their girl demanding that I hire her back and calling me a racist and attempting to beat my ass or pull a gun on me. I had Black girls boyfriends do that. (I started packing my own heat about then.)

All of this is of THEIR OWN doing. Several Blacks I know have told me that such behavior is because many Blacks know that Whites and White laws are bending over backwards for them and they take advantage of them as ‘retribution’ saying that it is about time they got theirs.

Then, they wonder why Whites don’t want to hire them and always stereotype them. Can there be a serious movie on television with Black and White in it where, somewhere, the race card is NOT mentioned? How many Black comics can do a routine WITHOUT making fun Whitey?

I occasionally get a friends daughter from elementary school for him. I love to watch the kids pour out. There are a lot of Black kids and for many I have hope that they will change things because they come out looking like everyone else, happy, chattering away, playing and being a kid. Then there are THOSE who have that Blacker than Black look on their faces, act sullen, wear their hair in the old share croppers style don’t seem to associate with any of the White kids. Their folks come to pick them up and display all of the outward projections of arrogant Black Pride, with looks on their faces daring any White to approach them.

THOSE are the ones I worry about.

Black complain that the cops pick on them, but then, they do the most crime! I have family in law enforcement and they agree. Plus, many of the Blacks do not even respect the Black cops!

Don’t want Whites pissed off at them? Stop breaking laws, stop striving for a separation which will never come, stop pulling the race card and stop trying to develop ‘only Black’ things. Blend in with all of the other races who make up the world.

I’ve had very dear Black friends, who explained a lot to me. I’ve had very good Black employees, who I promoted. I’ve had good Black neighbors who I got along with. I know good Black professionals whose wisdom I am impressed with and respect but I disagree with the Blacks who insist on creating their own problems with attitude.

I dunno, I’ve gotten into a lot of squabbles in my time, but only the ones with Black people have brought out the race card and the only ones who ever drew weapons on me have been Black. I’ve even fired White people for being too racist and causing problems among my employees.

If you don’t know where I’m coming from, how can you know where I’m going?


Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

I know exactly where you are coming from.
http://boards.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000648.html

You are coming from ignorance. And you try desperately to post information that backs you up. You are the worst poster I have ever seen on this board and I make it my mission in life to let EVERYONE here know just what a sick waste of breath you are. Even if I get massive amounts of flack for it I’m going to go out of my way to point out to everyone what a sick puppy you really are. You are so messed up, so narrow minded that the inside of a ping-pong ball seems like the Grand Canyon to you.

You can’t see beyond your own small universe and you LONG for everyone to agree with your racist, bigoted, prejudicial ways. You can’t stand that most of us celebrate differences, rejoice in them, welcome them. No, you want everyone to hate, mistrust, find fault for no reason other than “you had a bad experience.”

Go, pick up the biggest, hardest rock you can and bash it down on top of your head, Mark Serlin. Do the entire world a favor and take yourself out. The only hope we have right now is that no woman on this earth has seen fit to create a child with you. Thank God for small favors!

Mea culpa, Revtim! Until your last post I was thoroughly convinced we were on opposing sides. However, it appears we both may be reading the same post the same way with some non-important differences. You are, as usual, the logical one.

What? This is the Pit? Oh, then, here:

LOSER!! :smiley:


“You don’t have insurance? Well, just have a seat and someone will be with you after you die.” --Yes, another quality sig custom created by Wally!

A Jesusfied sig: Next time I covet thine opinion, I’ll ask for it!

“That was OK, though, because they were White. I recall how comics, cartoons, comedians, books, jokes and articles dealt with the mountain folk as scraggly, daughter sexing, inbred, moonshining, murdering, no education, barefoot, big hatted and heavily bearded morons”

I’d say you almost proved that they are with your post…

I wish to thank all of you for proving my point. One cannot have a discussion concerning Black people that is not all fluff and goodness without being attacked.

The majority of you all seem to agree that Black problems are the fault of the White race, but I disagree.

BYZ* I’ll respond to you ONLY ONCE, having dealt with you in the past and read your posts enough to learn that arguing with you is like arguing with a toilet full of crap.

You are a hostile, psychotic, fat woman with enough self loathing and anger built up inside to require years of therapy and lots of medication. You pick a poster and take your own anxieties, hidden insecurities and frustrations out on them, gaining some warped form of emotional satisfaction by attempting to humiliate, anger, ridicule and chase them away. You use your belligerent attitude as a shield, as a wall against the outside world, protecting yourself from perceived injury, though this is a faulty defense mechanism. As time goes on, you experience frustration for being unable to achieve the emotional goals you desire, which increases your anger and depression, so you lash out at others.

It is not worth it to argue with you, for even if I am correct, you will not accept it.*

It seems that one cannot point out the ‘flaws’ in the Black race like one can discuss the flaws in the White one. No race is perfect, but not all cannot be discussed like appaarently the Black race can’t.


Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

Sentinel, I am not painting all black people as angels. I am quite aware that Farrakhan and Sharpton are racists. I know several blacks, personally, who are racist. I am quite willing to discuss, rationally, aspects of the black community that do not lead to good citizenship or improving the common weal.

I am not willing to watch misstatements posted with the intention of characterizing an entire class of people as bad/inferior/stupid/ugly simply because you enjoy posting them. You will note that I did not challenge your rather silly assertions regarding the appearance of black people. That is your opinion and I’m not going to try to wrest it away from you.

You, on the other hand, do post in a way to paint all black people in a negative light. I have not complained about your opinions. I have pointed out the errors in fact that you post with the intention of pretending that you can support your prejudices.

You are getting tired of seeing my posts? Just think how I feel watching you post the same errors over and over again even when I have seen other people correct your errors in earlier threads. (A classic example is your assault on black dialect that I did not even bother to address, here. I have seen you post to threads where it has been documented that their dialect is a valid variation of English with its own normalized rules of syntax, grammar, and pronunciation. Despite that, you have again posted the lie that they

Since I saw you participate in the threads discussing black English, you have to have been exposed to the scientific discussions of the validity of their speech as dialect and yet you continue to insist that it is simply “bad English.” You are not interested in knowledge or facts; you simply want to express rage.

If you post a fact I will not challenge it. (We may disagree about the relevance or meaning of the fact, but I will not challenge your facts.) If you post distortions or untruths, I will call you on it every time. Your choice.


Tom~

Oh, sentinel, you haven’t figured it out yet? Everything bad in the world is the fault of those bastard white males. We should prove our enlightenment by never questioning minorities and by giving them gobs of cash.

Sheesh, I though everyone knew that.

What up Homey? Yo-Yo Mr. Tom, you be talkin’ trash and dissin’ da Brothaz when ya’ll sez they be talkin’ dialect ‘stead o’ bad English. You muddafuckers ain’t got no clue to where da brudders is at! A’ight. Wha’chew think beatin’ daown da White man’s language is? Black bruddas and sistahs be speakin’ the soul talk. Got dat Holmes? Black brotha’s got POWER, man, and Black sistahs is pure Nubian Royalty. Who you think you be, Cracker, callin’ Black Soul language a dialect?

Broken English. Dialect might be another term for it, but it all boils down to friggin’ butchered up English. Deliberately butchered up. Kind of like the old Bronx English. I recall when a’ight made its debut from all right, in the Black language.

I think the point we’ve been arguing on is the interpretation of dialect. I consider it broken English. I consider the way Bostonians speak as dialect along with the odd way many Minnisotians end their words on the up tone. The difference is – the two examples speak English while the Black hodge podge consists of fractured and made up words. Much like the deliberately affected ‘cool limp.’

The thing of it is, most people using ‘dialect’ correct it when they want good jobs. Most Black people don’t. I worked with a Black professional woman who used excellent English – almost too excellent because she had to deliberately accent ending consonants on some words – almost like she was spitting them out. I was with her one evening after work when she met some of her Black friends and instantly, she was back to the ‘Jive’ talk and had changed from mature professional woman capable of handling thousands of dollars in business a day to ‘shuckin’ and jivin’ and acting as Black as Black can be. I did not like the change at all, BUT I admired her ability to conform to general society in the working place.

I used to have a strong Southern form of speaking years ago, complete with ain’t, ain’t got no, and so on. When I entered a business dealing directly with wealthy clients, I received complaints about the way I hashed up the language. So, I concentrated and changed it. I found that I got much more satisfactory results from people both in and out of business when I did not act like a ‘hick.’ The Southern ‘dialect’ I used was butchered English – plain and simple.

There are articles written in Psychology Today, People, JAMA, the Times, the Post, News and World Report and many other publications which deal with how the White male, especially, is starting to develop various problems because suddenly it is ‘in’ to blame HIM for all of the ills the newly termed African Americans suffered ages ago. There are articles written about how White people are bending over backwards to not offend, slight, or look down on the Blacks, which generated the Politically Correct era.

Through all of this, the Black people, attitude wise, are changing very slowly, though their general status in life is increasing rapidly.

With communications technology reaching into almost every nook of American society, there has been established an average standard of beauty. On the extreme end are the professionals, for whom beauty is not just a way of life, but often unobtainable for the average person. On the opposite end is the more realistic, generally obtainable form which consists of essentially various influences averaged out according to economic standing and availability.

We have people in the US from every nation in the world and they have their traditional customs, styles and so on that cling to them at a certain level. The closest variant to the Big ‘Beautiful’ (Black) Woman that I have come across are among the Eskimos, whose hefty size in women is common because of their need for fat as insulation and because of a tradition of having to go long times without food. Then comes certain American Indian Tribes.

I have also learned over the years that hefty women and often hefty men are most common among poverty populations where the cheapest food in the largest availability is very starchy.

BUT to my knowledge, the incidence of heavy women and men is highest among the Black communities. No where else, among any of the various peoples of the world, have I ever observed the strange and ‘ethnic’ hairstyles as accepted among Black women and Men nor what often appears to be ‘clownish’ attempts of applied decorations.

Some time back, the average Black man started dressing and looking more within the general ‘norm.’ (Mature males.) The only ‘style’ I noted to be radical was that it has become ‘in’ for Black men to shave their heads bald. Lately, they are starting to get body art, but then, so are people of many races.

Black women, however, seemed to lag behind, often ‘inventing’ odd ‘African’ hairstyles that had they been on White women, would have drawn laughter. Now, more and more Black women, instead of concentrating on ancient traditional styles, have begun to accept the more average styles of the general population, whiletastefully incorporating some African influence.

Every society has an average ‘normal.’ It has been obvious since sometime in the early 80s that the Blacks have been concentrating heavily on their ‘roots’ in Africa and demanding separation, yet acceptance on a racial level while demanding equality from the norm. The combination does not work.

A classic example is a photograph of Diana Ross in her television show tonight. She is clad in an expensive and flattering dress of modern design with an African motif, but her mass of hair is spread out in some vast apparently flattened afro explosion that, to me, makes her look like a jerk and I doubt was ever seen in Africa. Her earlier styles when she was singing steadily in the 60s and 70s were less Black Pride and more stylish and accented her face far better.

In conversations with some Black people I know concerning styles and such among the Blacks, I’ve discovered that often the Blacks themselves find certain styles they wear abhorrent but because they are supposed to be Black based, they wear them.

Now, if I were talking about some other peoples, say, like the French, I would not get half the shit I’m getting now and the French are known for being rude, their designers of woman’s’ clothing often should be shot and probably are woman haters and, for a time, they did produce some wacko hair styles for woman.

But, here again. That’s OK, because they’re White. Since I am discussing Black people, anything negative I say is considered a frontal, racial attack.


Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

Your rather pathetic attempt to imitate AAVE or black dialect merely shows that you truly have no idea what you’re talking about. You can throw the word “be” in at random locations and try to type the pronunciations however you wish. That does not change the fact that a significant number of black people do speak a separate, linguistically recognized, legitimate dialect. Your utter refusal to accept the evidence of linguistic science when it goes counter to your desire to dislike something is not my problem. As long as you continue to post silliness, particularly racist silliness, you are going to get called on it.

As to the poor, burdened white man (and I’m sure there are a few) would you care to provide an actual citation from JAMA that reports a study in which white men are suffering because they are not allowed to treat blacks as sub-human? The rest of the magazines you cited are simply repeaters of stories, but if those are your only real sources, you can post citations from them, as well. (But really, People? No wonder you think that there is some sort of “standard” of beauty that is “developing” if you think that is a news magazine.)

As to your rants on “beauty,” I seem to recall that you have not reached much consensus on this MB even regarding the beauty “standards” for white women, but I will note that not one of the black women in the 21 storey building where I am working dress any differently than their white co-workers, they seem to show almost the same proportion of slender, medium, chunky, and overweight women as their white co-workers, and I can’t remember ever seeing an odd hair-style in the building. (Diana Ross does not strike me as representative of anyone but Diana Ross and I have certainly never seen anyone in my workplace wearing hair like that. She is a celebrity and is following the habit among many celebrities of all ethnic backgrounds to strike a “look.” I’d agree that I do not find the hairstyle she is displaying attractive, but it does not look like any style from any African period or location that I can remember. You worry about that stuff too much.)


Tom~

“Not to start a race war, but are some black women looking good?”

In My Opinion - Hell Yeah!, Nothing wrong with it either.

What is wrong with this. So I’ve noticed them looking better in movies and so on. So what if Some women that are black are of a mixed race, just because I take note of it, doesn’t mean that I’m a racist. I love women of all races. Beauty is the key here, nothing wrong with it. I remember a Seinfield Episode once, not sure of the exact words, but something like this:

Jerry: I like Oriental Women.
Elaine: But isn’t that racist?
Jerry: If I like them, how am I a racist?

Thanks RevTim and other followers.

Quote…(AAVE)…“consists of fractured and made up words.” …yo, you ignorant,reactionary dolt, are not ALL words “made up”?

If anyone cares to read it, Discover magazine had a great article last issue about the science of beauty. Studies have found that people of different races tend to find each other ugly upon first contact. As tehy get accustomed to each other, they see each others beauty. In the 1800’s a group of Samurai came to teh US and found our women to be “ugly like dogs.”

So other races are “becoming more attractive” because we are exposed to them more.

As for standards of beauty, the study cited found, suprisingly, that it is averageness of looks that accounts for what we call beautiful. The author found that by combining the features of thousands of women, he could create a beautiful face.

But the bottom line on beauty was that men are hard wired to look for cues as to the fertility of the woman. Nothing new there.

The way that you phrased this actually offends me in that you seem to feel that White men spend their time treating Blacks as an inferior subspecies. The actual truth of the matter is that with the changes in times and with greater understanding and education, most Whites either find the old form of racism repugnant or, if younger, have been taught that it is wrong. Still, within the last several years, the current trend has been to blame the White people for all of the ills ever frequented on the Blacks, including those self generated. There have been many articles published that have mentioned the guilt that Whites are starting to develop, especially the males, because it seems that it is ‘in’ to blame the White male for everything. Even comics on television have joked about this.

I read various news reports, articles and publications and while only one or two might be ‘professional’ magazines, when I start seeing stories of the same form popping up in the others, I like to assume that there is something to it. Obviously, you disagree, apparently believing only what is published in a medical or psychiatric trade magazine.

DIALECT
I don’t think either you or I are ever even going to come close to agreeing here. Actually, according to the dictionary, we are essentially talking about the same thing. I, however, consider the dialect to be a form of broken English which is deliberately promoted within most of the Black communities as a form of seperationism.

You missed the self example I gave concerning changing my way of talking when the need arose.

You also cited an isolated example of style concerning your experiences with Black women who live around you. Go to the Black AOL boards and have a look around. I also noticed that you live in the extreme north, where things are often different from down here in the South. To deny that you have not seen the particular styles among Blacks that I stated would, to me, indicate that you live a very cloistered life.

According to you, Blacks follow the norm, do nothing egocentric, have some form of racial/social/environmental excuse for their ‘dialect’, hold no animosity towards the White race, consist of average body styles, wish to blend in with the predominate society and are innocent victims of various claims against them concerning crime, seperationist, attitude and revenge.

Whatever you are drinking, I’d like some.

As for Ross, I used her as the most convenient example. As for expressing any offensive or ‘set’ standards of beauty I have applied here on the boards to White women, care to cite? I am aware that there are many standards that I might not like, but accept and many I personally prefer but when I find that something I dislike is not just my opinion alone, then I come to the conclusion that many others are aware of this.

Currently, on the Black television channels, even the Blacks are making fun of the enormously heavy and the very skinny Black women and their attitudes more than ever before. They are also poking fun at the seemingly typical male attitude to cheat, and to get into arguments with White men. When something is brought into the lime light by comics, usually it is something of a common knowledge that has begun to turn offensive. Black comics are even making fun of the trend to make up African names and stick them on female children. (La-Wanda comes to mind.)

I might be bigoted in many ways, but when I spot Blacks poking fun at the same things time and time again, I begin to feel that perhaps my dislikes are not exactly a ‘WHITE thing.’

Male Black comics have started poking fun at the ‘big butt’ women. There have been many interviews with Black female stars who stated that in order to succeed they had to drop the ‘limp,’ the ‘attitude’ and the ‘we be, she be’ type of talking.

For you to claim that such things have not and do not go on is to indicate to me that you are wearing blinders.


Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

Why am I not on the cover of Vogue?
Maternal grandmother: Spanish (from Spain)
Maternal grandfather: ? Born in Puerto Rico on the white side, featurewise.
Paternal grandmother: Blackfoot Indian.
Paternal grandfather: Grandson of slaves.

Men have not been beating a path to my door.

My heritage is like that of a good, ol’ mutt.

Spanish, Polish, German, Italian. At least two sets of my ancestors had a real rough time after they got to America but, funny, the hatred was not passed down the line and I have no urge to go back to any of the nations to find my ‘roots’, nor to dress in any ‘native’ styles or name any children I might have ‘native’ names.

Actually, I’m fourth generation, which means some of my ancestors were being discriminated against in the late 1800s through the early 1900s here in the States. Plus, all 4 of my ancestral lines are of people who have been enslaved in the past.

That’s odd. There was no affirmative action for me.


Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

Farmer, I’m simply defending your right to discuss the matter, I’m not your “follower”.

No. According to me, black people are people who include a broad scope of individuals that range from extremes of dress and attitude to a very close and narrow following to what the “mainstream” fashion and “middleclass” values are for our society–just as there are whites who engage in extremes and white who toe the line on whatever the current “middle ground” is.

They have no need to have an excuse for their dialect because there is nothing wrong, by definition, with a dialect. If they wish to communicatre effectively with the white mainstream, they will have to learn to speak in a manner that the mainstream can understand. I fully agree with that idea. I object to insisting that any language is “broken” because there is nothing but your personal prejudice to put up against hundreds of years of linguistic scholarship.

“Blacks” don’t hold animosity against the “white race.” Some blacks do hold such animosity, just as a some whites hold blacks in contempt. Those two groups reinforce each other’s hatreds and I object to both positions.

Blacks do have “average” body styles. There are certain characteristics that are more prevalent among European or Asian or African or other groups, but viewed from the perspective of measuring all the people within ranges of body weight, blacks fall well within the human norm. There may, indeed, be a higher number of blacks who are extremely obese than the overall average. You, however, turn that into a strange statement that all or most blacks are either obese or skinny and mean. You see what you want to see.

Do blacks want to “blend in”? Possibly not. They would like to be treated fairly, just as anyone else. After being told that they were not allowed to be part of the general society for 300 years, I hardly blame them for not suddenly deciding that they ought to be dark colored white people. (There was actually a movement within black society for a significant portion of this century who attempted to do just that. They gave it up when they kept running into white idiots who laughed at them for trying to “be white.” You can’t have it both ways. If we aren’t going to let them “be white” it is totally reprehensible to be mad at them for “being black.”)

As to their innocence, some blacks are guilty of many things, as are some whites. I have not accepted any of your broad-brush attempts to characterize all blacks as being guilty of any particular traits because you so frequently get your facts wrong and generally show no understanding of cause and effect in any situation.

I, for example, am quite aware that blacks do commit hate crimes. You have posted on numerous occasions that no one realizes or publishes black hate crimes (then how am I aware of them?). Your examples are selected to support your agenda to characterize all black society in the worst light. I prefer to evaluate individual situations on their own merits.


Tom~

Sentinel,

Not too cool stealing my sig, especially not crediting the original source.

Methinks your thoughts are generally plagiarized and yet uncredited. Let me know when you can come up with something on your own.


Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
– Emo Phillips

Oh, and regarding the OP -

Dorothy Dandridge
Josephine Baker
Lena Horne
Marpessa Dawn
Pam Grier
Diahann Carroll

There have always been plenty of attractive black women visible, it’s the perception that is changing in the case of the original poster. It’s a pretty egocentric view to think that because you are noticing more attractive black women, they must be “looking better these days”. Maybe you are seeing better these days.


Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
– Emo Phillips