Are black women looking better these days?

[Mr.Zambezi]

Smilla said

It doesn’t make it right or good, but unless you’re on thee same side of the fence as they are, you have absolutely no right to criticize something you can’t even begin to understand.

By the same reasoning, blacks can’t possibly criticize the views of racist whites.

Smilla, the issue of whether (some)blacks’ current hatred of current whites is well founded does not require perfect understanding of the black mind-set. If blacks make categorical statements and judgements about whites, they are racist. Slavery does not entitle them to a “get out of racism free” card.

Racism is wrong regardless of your skin color or whether you grandpappy was a sharecropper or a freed slave. Wrongs done to one’s ancestors to not justify a lack of personal responsibility nor do they justify prejudice.

By the way, there were many, many Chinese who suffered a similar fate as blacks. They were easily recognizable, they suffered abuse and racism at about the same time. They are not suffering in the same way the blacks are today. Face it, Blacks have been told by people like you for years: “racism is rampant. You are being opressed. The playing field is tilted. You don’t stand a chance.”

Thanks to such messages, many have come to believe it. No wonder they are having a hard
time.

[Jett]

Face it, Blacks have been told by people like you for years: “racism is rampant. You are being opressed. The playing field is tilted. You don’t stand a chance.”

C’mon Zam, do you really think this is where most black people learn about racism? I remember a kid in elementary school yelling, during a funnel-ball game, “don’t throw it to the coon!”, not “You are being oppressed!”.

Get real.

Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
– Emo Phillips

[system]

JETT
Big friggin’ deal if in your microcosm you never heard Blacks speak badly of Whites. I guess up until the age of 22 I had no problem with Blacks at all, even though I had worked with some, been in school with some, had some as acquaintances and there were no racial crimes committed in my town – at least none known to me.

I was even the Scoutmaster of the only Black and White Boy Scout Troop of my city and found that I got more response from the Black parents when work needed to be done than from the White. Plus I made damn sure that the kids did not get any racial slurs at Scout gatherings and any kids who were in the troop who disagreed with the Black members being there I simply let go.

I drove some of the Black kids home into the projects when they needed rides and picked them up if necessary. Desegregation of the schools had just begun. I had to field some ‘oblique’ suggestions by some people involved in Scouting that perhaps ‘they’ should have their own troop.

My group was very good, but, even though we were the only integrated troop in town, somehow, unlike today, we never made the papers.

Then, after I left Scouting because of my job obligations and started working in another city with a higher population of Blacks, I met ‘Niggers’. I worked in and around the ghetto. I traveled with the police and listened to their opinions. I discovered reverse discrimination applied directly to me. I found myself faced with twisted truths concerning Black opinions by Blacks. I saw rules and regulations strictly applied to Whites being ‘bent’ for Blacks.

I had Black people smiling and laughing with me, sitting down and eating lunch with me, explaining things for me concerning my job that I needed to know, and had them as bosses. No big problem there at all. The problem came in when I discovered that they were talking about me behind my back, concerning my ‘white’ attitudes and if I pointed out a Black coworkers incompetence or laziness, I was considered racist though IF THEY pointed out the same things concerning the same worker – it was OK.

I worked with Black people of superior education and intelligence, well respected in their fields who, when the chips were down started ‘shuckin’ and jivin’ and acting ‘nigger.’ Errors made by Black employees were covered up by Black superiors while similar errors made by White staff were brought to everyone’s attention.

My attitude changed. I became bigoted.

On the racial discussion board, I brought up the physical differences – following a chain or thread where the poster pointed out how Blacks are the ‘Chosen Ones’ and how all races of the Earth came from them. I discussed the Asian eyefold, the Russian tendency to be stocky and heavy, the Eskimo tendency to have very fat women, the pale skin of the Whites, the Black skin of the Blacks, the differences in hair, lips and asses. All caused by adaptation to specific climates.

Proven long ago by researchers. The Asian eyefold is due to people living in colder, windier climates and is designed to keep the eyes from freezing. Paler skin is for colder climates to absorb more sunlight. The tendency of a people to be fat is usually because of needed insulation, like the Eskimos. Thin lips prevent heat loss. Thick lips promote heat loss and store moisture. The larger Black ‘ass’ is water and food storage for a people living in a harsh climate and the dark skin is to actually resist the ultraviolet radiation from a hotter sun.

Man! Was I ripped to shreds! Blacks don’t have fat butts, I discovered, and it was racist of me to think so. They are not physically any different from the White man and even Blacks have some slanted eyes so what does that prove? (Cross breeding). Whites always have some secret agenda against Blacks. Blacks have a good reason to be belligerent and hateful towards Whites for what was done in the past. The LA riots were justified and an indication of Black Power. (They ignored the fact that they burned up mainly Black owned businesses and homes.) The ‘MAN’ is always keeping them down which is why insurance companies redline mainly Black communities. (They ignored the facts that those communities are mixed Hispanic, Black and White and have higher crime levels than other areas and rioting in them does not encourage insurance companies to want to do business there.)

By the way, the Irish were mistreated and abused but never slaves.

And as for “keeping in contact with a way of living that was one step above the stone age” you’re using social theories created by eurocentric white males such as yourself that have been discredited years ago. Just because you don’t understand it doens’t make it wrong or primitive. Just because we Westerners worship technology doens’t make it the only acceptable way of living. For God’s sake man, take an anthropology course or something!

I did take some anthropology courses years back and read up on everything I could get about Africa because, back then, Africa was considered the last frontier. Aside form imported metal goods from traders, I recall only forged copper being in use among many African tribes. Their technology was low. They spent much of their time fighting or warring among the different tribes. Infant mortality was very high. Disease could spread like wild fire from one tribe to another. Several of the American Indian Nations had more highly advanced technology than most of Africa. Plus, many African tribes, when slavers came, promptly went out and rounded up competing tribes and sold them to the slavers.

As for music and media images, you haven’t been paying much attention to the past century, have you? There have always been fat white people. There still are. There have always been fat black people. There still are.

You never lived in the deep South like 40 years ago did you? There is a whole lifestyle which has all but vanished which now can mainly be seen on TV. There were a lot more fat women about then and not fat like today. These women had heavy legs with rolls of fat that actually drooped down over their joints and made them look like they were wearing part of a fake fat suit. Their heads joined their torsos on pillars of fat rolls and they had massive arms. You could listen to them arguing shrilly in stores, across streets, over fences and in their own homes. If you ain’t lived it, don’t try to explain it away.

As for children of mixed marriages, well, that is beyond my expertise because no one I knew cared. I certainly didn’t and while as a child I played with children of various hues, I never cared what their heritage was and still don’t.

And, I also have heard lately from various sources how Blacks are being told by Whites that they are oppressed and being put down and how they are being discriminated against. I’ve even had some Black acquaintances wonder if these Whites were trying to start trouble with their steady insistence that the Blacks are oppressed.

Not being 100% asshole, I also have driven around Black communities I have known for decades and seen shanty houses and dirt yards being replaced by nice houses and green lawns, old rattle trap cars being replaced by new expensive ones. Dark streets getting street lights. Nasty ass bars being replaced by better clubs. Police patrols increasing. Black parents starting to take more interest in getting rid of the drugs dealers.

Over the years I’ve watched more and more Black professionals show up locally from Black doctors to highly trained nurses, to lawyers, to CPAs to restaurant owners. So, there are great changes being made, but there is a hard core of Black people who resist and want to be separate.

One thing I did note that irritated me was observing a Black Physician in an Emergency Room real life series. I’ve seen Black doctors on the program before and they blend in with the general staff. This guy did not. He wore a tribal cloth hat. He let it

[Jett]

Big friggin’ deal if in your microcosm you never heard Blacks speak badly of Whites.

Actually, Sentinel, I’ve heard everybody speak badly about everybody. Discrimination and prejudice are not limited to black and white. That’s not my point. My point is that there is no conspiracy, no big collective plot from the ghettos to kill off the white race. That’s propaganda, and you have foolishly believed it. You got an impression at some point that you were being judged and treated in certain way by a group of people, and you decided to lump some people together and judge right back. How noble of you.

Let me get this straight: You believe that some people who perhaps talked about you behind your back at work condemned you because you are white. You believe they were part of a black conspiracy to ruin you because of your skin color (maybe they JUST COULDN’T STAND YOU, Sent). So you decided to reverse your alleged platform of total non-discrimination from earlier years and decide that all of the pleasant, stable, considerate black people you had dealt with in your youth were FLUKES! Or maybe they just hadn’t caught on to the conspiracy yet…

And, I also have heard lately from various sources how Blacks are being told by Whites that they are oppressed and being put down and how they are being discriminated against. I’ve even had some Black acquaintances wonder if these Whites were trying to start trouble with their steady insistence that the Blacks
are oppressed.

Well, by all means Sentinel, blame the blacks.

You are perpetuating this horseshit with your racist rhetoric. Your distaste for seeing someone wearing an african-style cloth (“full tribal regalia” according to you) hat on a real-life ER series is soooooo pathetic. Have you never seen a jewish professional wearing a star of David? I have. Do you really have to reach so far as to be offended by this and use it to perpetuate your bias? If black people were that sensitive to mainstream-white-america icons there would be a much bigger problem. I can’t believe that a (somewhat) thinking person such as yourself would even try to use that example to support your claim of a right to be a bigot.

The rest of your post is pithel.

Oh yeah, there are White hair and beauty products, but they have to be targeted
for Blacks also. Not so Black products.

Hair products are marketed to the people who have money (and um…hair). They only “have to be targeted for Blacks also” so that black people will spend their money on them - it’s not any more complex than that. White people don’t buy a whole lot of hair relaxer and jeri-curls, so they aren’t trying to effectively market them to white people. I buy hair dye with a gasp white person on the box and I’m not the same color! That’s another really stupid thing to be offended about. Next!

By the way, do you know of any Irish Only magazines?

Of course there are exclusively Irish magazines. There are online Irish magazines, such as The Irish Voice at http://www.irishvoice.com. My husband is white and he likes to watch BET and the black patrol hasn’t shown up to take him away. Don’t be stupid.

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Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
– Emo Phillips

[system]

Wearing a Star of David is a whole other thing. It is ludicrous for you to even try to use that as an example. Jews – at least the ones I know – don’t adopt a form of dress as a symbol of defiance and color pride, especially in a professional atmosphere where doing so is not the norm.

Years back, anyone walking around with ‘traditional native garb’ in a hospital would have been told to knock it off. There were set guidelines for everyone, but not anymore. Blacks can pretty well wear what they want in such a setting and no one had better say a thing! Plus, being White I’m not sure if I would want a Black activist doctor to work on me if I had a choice because he just might be pissed over something he read and not give me the care I might require.

(HEY! I’ve seen this before! I’ve been in situations where Black staff, being in the majority, have paid much more attention to Black patients and hardly any to Whites. My opinions are formed from extensive personal experience.)

Currently, it is against the law to have a magazine designated for Whites only, but not against the law for Blacks to do so. We have a high level of both Asian and Indian (Hindu) people here and I haven’t spotted any thing designated for them only. How about the American Indian. Off of the reservations they don’t have Indian Only television stations, no laws require that a business have at least 1 Indian employee, and – though my experience is limited, they don’t seem to have any ‘hate Whitey’ religions. Plus, they seem to be doing a pretty good job of helping themselves out.

Last night I listened to a radio talk show, Tom and Jeff, carried from somewhere on 92.7 WZZR. (There’s a listen in website http://www.wzzr.com/)) at around 3 in the morning. They brought up the possibility of starting a White Television Network, similar to BET and so on. It was simply a discussion. They brought out that there are no WHITE ONLY television or radio stations but BLACK ONLY ones exist.

It was interesting to find out how many Whites called in stating that it would never be allowed. Blacks called in also, pointing out how Black industries have white employees, so that makes them not all Black. The two talk show hosts pointed out that even so, their products and programming were designed and targeted for Blacks, while such White things could not be targeted only for Whites.

Most White callers felt that it was unfair that Blacks were allowed to have special dispensations and Black oriented businesses when Whites could not.

You believe they were part of a black conspiracy to ruin you because of your skin color (maybe they JUST COULDN’T STAND YOU, Sent).

For the simple fact that I get real wordy, I don’t explain everything in detail. I was in the minority, but there were several other White people working with me. Each one experienced a series of complaints and major resistance from the Black staff. Several of the White staff quit, disgusted by the double standard and the reluctance of the management to control the situation. Black clients were given obvious favoritism and extra consideration while White clients were not. Records kept on Black clients were often ‘slanted’ heavily in a favorable way while the opposite was done to White client records.

Having come from an unbiased environment, would you seriously think that my opinions would change just because of a few incidents? It took several years of major incidents before this happened. It also took a few heated discussions over some incidents, where I was assured that Whites are the source of the Black problems, slavery would never be forgotten, Black criminals who got away with crimes against Whites were ‘justified’, OJ Simpson was guilty, but it was about time that justice fell on the side of the Black man and his verdict was ‘retribution’ and if I had a problem with their attitudes, then I was racist.

So you decided to reverse your alleged platform of total nondiscrimination from earlier years and decide that all of the pleasant, stable, considerate black people you had dealt with in your youth were FLUKES!

You are a dolt aren’t you? In reference to the above, no, I do not think they were Flukes, I think they were good people who realized that wanting to be SEPARATE BUT EQUAL was not only a lost cause but completely stupid. I have found that there are major amounts of Black people out there who do not agree in general with the attitudes I’ve been discussing. My beef is with the large and loud contingent which insists on wanting special Black privileges, special Black dispensations, special Black considerations and who want to build a separate Black society in the world, which excludes Whites and those who insist on blaming Whites for every misfortune which happens to them through their own doing.

Bleeding hearts like yourself have obvious started seeing the situation through rose colored glasses. The Black race, according to you, does nothing wrong and is justified in doing whatever they choose because of ages of oppression by the nasty, evil and devilish White people. You are deluding yourself if you think that there is no problem going on in the Black community.

I’m a bigot. I’m not a racist. I don’t want Black people ‘in their place,’ wiped off of the face of the Earth, shoved back to Africa against their will, denied any of the civil and human rights I enjoy and I don’t give a hoot if they interracially date or marry. I don’t care if I have Black neighbors – so long as they act like the rest of my neighbors. I don’t want them denied any education of any level nor denied any service anyone else gets.

I do have a big problem when national crime figures indicate that Blacks do the majority of the crime and then some simpering White nut states that the figures are rigged or some mouthy, bald kufee wearing, back-to-Africa Black guy gets on and blames the figures on the White Conspiracy, stating that the Proud Young Black Warriors are being discriminated against and ‘forced’ into crime.

I have a big friggin problem when Blacks demand equal rights and then demand Black oriented television stations, Black oriented businesses, magazines and products and then demand that Whites cannot do the same thing or it is discrimination. I have a big problem with Blacks assuring me that the ‘Great Black Race’ is the father of all races and that their technology in Africa was far superior to most other peoples in the world before the Slavers came.

It get pissed when Black comics can poke all forms of fun at Whites, ranging from the way we look, talk, eat, run, dress and screw but if a White comic makes fun of Blacks, it is discrimination and racist. I find it offensive to be accused of ‘holding the Black man down’ when scores of Black run businesses openly cheat and take advantages of Blacks and this is accepted!

Then someone like Jessie Jackson pops up, ranting against discrimination and flying all over the world on Black concerns, yet ignores any other form of discrimination concerning non-Blacks.

Pull the friggin blinders off, climb out of your Ivory Tower and take a look around. I’ve been to many nations and many different places where there are Black people and only in two have I found a high level of problems. One is Africa and the other is the US. Take a look at what the Proud Black Race is doing to each other in Africa. Most Blacks that I know would NOT return to the Mother Land even if I paid for their resettlement there.

So, back to the original post, if I give a complimentary statement concerning Black women looking better, then I feel it is justified because it shows that some are starting to realize that squabbling, standing on Black Rights and constantly blaming every White person they see for their own problems is not good, not right and actually defeats the goals they choose to obtain.

When in a general society, o

[tomndebb]

Currently, it is against the law to have a magazine designated for Whites only,

See, this is where you get in trouble, here. Your statement is completely untrue. There is no law against “Whites only” magazines (or radio shows or TV shows or anything similar). It would be against the law for the owners/operators of any of those companies to refuse to hire blacks (just as it is against the law for Jet, Ebony, or BET to refuse to hire whites).

There is no law against promoting a product “for” or “only for” any group.

The rest of your wild-eyed rantings can stand on their own. They are your weird opinions that allow you to make over-broad generalizations and feel persecuted (are you a wannabe black?). However, posting things that are outright falsehoods, such as your ridiculous assertion about the law will always get you in trouble.

(HEY! I’ve seen this before! I’ve been in situations where Black staff, being in the majority, have paid much more attention to Black patients and hardly any to Whites. My opinions are formed from extensive personal experience.)

So your actual anger is directed at the fact that blacks behave too much like whites? Paying more attention to people that resemble themselves–just as whites often do?

Years back, anyone walking around with ‘traditional native garb’ in a hospital would have been told to knock it off. There were set guidelines for everyone, but not anymore. Blacks can pretty well wear what they want in such a setting and no one had better say a thing!

So what? Once the uniforms came off, the whites and blacks have an equal opportunity to wear whatever they want. Unless you can establish that a white guy in a shield shirt and string tie would be sent home while a black guy in a dashiki would not, then your only real complaint is that you, personally, don’t like dashikis. That is not discrimination or reverse discrimination. That is you being upset that your sense of style has been offended. Whoopee! (And you know what? Most of the push to eliminate uniforms came from white folks, not because it is a “white” thing, but simply because the majority of the whole society moved away from the idea of uniforms and there are more whites than blacks. My wife literally cheered when they dropped nurse whites for scrubs and one reason she was attracted to her current employer was that she was allowed to wear casual clothes instead of whites when she made home visits. “Corporate casual” dress did not appear because blacks wanted to wear dashikis, but because white guys wanted to wear polo shirts. Once the ties were abandoned, however, it is simply a judgment call as to what is appropriate “corporate casual.” You are opposed to clothes that don’t look like they came fom a J.C. Penney catalog and most of the rest of us don’t care. Deal with it–but don’t claim that it’s a black conspiracy.

I have found that there are major amounts of Black people out there who do not agree in general with the attitudes I’ve been discussing. My beef is with the large and loud contingent which insists on wanting special Black privileges, special Black dispensations, special Black considerations and who want to build a separate Black society in the world, which excludes Whites and those who insist on blaming Whites for every misfortune which happens to them through their own doing.

Which might be a valid position to take, except that you are back-pedalling, here. You don’t post that you are upset with this group of blacks or that association of blacks or that black spokesman. For months, every one of your rants has started out “Blacks. . . .” No qualifications. No reference to specific persons or groups. Just “Blacks. . . .” When I pointed out that the blacks I encounter seem to follow the typical human spectrum of body shapes, attitudes, etc. (clearly indicating that there were individuals who were at the extremes and individuals who were closer to the median ranges), you pouted that I was claiming that they were all “average.”

As long as you continue to post as if the black community is a monolithic institution with a strictly ordered regimen of offending your personal sensibilities of taste while plotting the overthrow of some poor, abused white men, we are going to laugh at your posts.

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Tom~

[Jett]

Currently, it is against the law to have a magazine designated for Whites only, but not against the law for Blacks to do so.

Show me the text of that law, fuckface.

Tom and Jeff…brought up the possibility of starting a White Television Network, similar to BET and so on. It was simply a discussion. They brought out that there are no WHITE ONLY television or radio stations but BLACK ONLY ones exist.

Define “BLACK ONLY”. Meaning “subjects only of interest to blacks”? Not true, I told you, my husband watches BET. More than I do, in fact (he likes soul & R&B more than I do and the topics interest him). BET is not “BLACK ONLY” any more than Fox is “WHITE ONLY”. This is simply racist rhetoric. I’ve heard David Duke go on about the same thing. Nice company for you, Sentinel.

White things could not be targeted only for
Whites.

Are you trying to say that L’Oreal shampoo ads with Heather Locklear are targeted to blacks? I think not. Most mainstream advertising IS targeted to whites. A small portion of mainstream advertising is targeted specifically to, or to include, blacks. This has to do, again, with who they think will spend money. I HATE repeating myself. Again, show me the laws, shit-for-logic.

The Black race, according to you, does nothing wrong and is justified in doing whatever they choose because of ages of oppression by the nasty, evil and devilish White people.

I insist that you show me where I posted this assertion, or stop putting words in my mouth. You’re losing it Sentinel (or is it rainbowcsr?). Stop listening to the voices and read my posts again.

I have a big friggin problem when Blacks demand equal rights and then demand Black oriented television stations, Black oriented
businesses, magazines and products and then demand that Whites cannot do the same thing or it is discrimination.

Big “friggin’” deal. You have a problem with a professional black person wearing a cloth african-style hat. It doesn’t take much to cause you some “problems”. Luckily, they are your problems and not mine.

Again, there is no governing body stopping you from watching BET and reading EBONY magazine. Go ahead and do it in the spirit of defiance. You may find that it’s not what you think “Black-oriented” (I strongly urge you to learn how to use a hyphen. Or do you have a “problem” with them too?) media is. You will find that nobody is going to stop you from watching/reading black-oriented media. Of course, you may be offended by some images of people in some cloth hats.

So, back to the original post, if I give a complimentary statement concerning Black women looking better, then I feel it is justified because it shows that some are starting to realize that squabbling, standing on Black Rights and constantly blaming every White person they see for their own problems is not good, not right and actually defeats the goals they choose to obtain.

So, are you saying that black women are looking better because they are no longer bitter about being black in a white society? I don’t understand your justification of point A via point B. It is ridiculous to state that the change in appearance is due to a change in black race’s mental state. I will continue to state that some black women look good, some black women have always looked good, it’s the perspective of the person looking at them that is changing. If you see more beauty in a person because of what you think is a different position in society, it is you that has changed perspective. Got it?

You are a dolt aren’t you?

Flattery will get you nowhere.

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Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
– Emo Phillips

[Jett]

Sentinel, I have repeatedly asked you for facts, laws, statistics and documentation on your points, and you only respond by piling on another shovelful of rhetoric.

I expect nothing different from you this time because the documentation doesn’t exist.

Have a white day.

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Some mornings, it’s just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
– Emo Phillips

[ruadh]

Originally posted by Jett:
**Sentinel, I have repeatedly asked you for facts, laws, statistics and documentation on your points, and you only respond by piling on another shovelful of rhetoric.

I expect nothing different from you this time because the documentation doesn’t exist.
**

Forget it, Jett. Sentinel/MarkSerlin/Rainbowcsr/etc has mentioned that “law” against magazines for whites about half a dozen times. Each time he’s been told it doesn’t exist and he STILL repeats it without any attempt to provide evidence. Either he’s intentionally lying, or he’s a moron (I suspect both). In any event he’s not worth arguing with.

[Byzantine]

Well, free-baser of mercury, also known as:
NightGirl44
Rainbowcsr
Sentinel
MarkSerlin
AnitaJ
Ladylust
NITWATCH2
Anomaly22
And God only knows what other names:

It’s spelled Byzantine. I have always been Byzantine. I have NEVER posted under any other name. But you can call me bitch if that is easier to spell and remember. I know how hard things are for you. Trying to keep my name straight in addition to all of yours surely is a challenge!

As far as projecting anything on to anyone else: I don’t see any other poster berating me for being unfair, or a “loon” or anything else you mentioned. Must just be you and your merry band of sock puppets. I’d have to say that most other posters will back me up as a fair, if opinionated, person. I don’t rant, slaver, or pop off without thought. If anyone cares to back up what-ever-name-he’s-calling-himself-at-the-moment, please, do so. If you want to get in digs at me, again, I would welcome them.

Perhaps whatever-your-name-is-at-the-moment you should stop whacking off into your socks. Maybe, just maybe, you should stop collecting your jiss and trying to make it back you up. Just a thought. I’m sure your socks would appreciate the rest. And a bath.

Still, your arguments for racism come back down to the fact that you had a “bad experience” and you think we should all just back you up if we are white. All of us, male, female, black, white, red, yellow, have had bad experiences. That doesn’t mean we hold EVERYONE accountable for them.

I hold true to what a person is. How they treat me. How they are. If you can’t pull your head out and see folks as individuals, separate from a racial whole, that is your problem. Grow up, look around. I don’t see many people supporting you. Yeah, your sock puppets supporting you doesn’t count. Sorry, round-heels, but they are still just spew from your pathetic dick.

There is nothing worse than trying (desperately) to justify your hate on the back of someone else’s. “See! See! They hate whites! Isn’t it okay that I hate them back?!” No, it isn’t. Hate breeds more hate. To say that I hate you falls into that. I don’t hate you. You sicken me, nauseate me. You are the very worst that the internet has to offer. But you have a right to post your views. I’m just happy in the fact that there are not many here who take up the odious torch you have lit.

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Best!
Byz

Voted most sex obsessed. (Yeah, blow me smart ass!)

[Sentinel]

Ah, the local obsessive compulsive loon has elected to spew forth her demented ravings again, digging deep within the dark recesses of her twisted cesspool that she uses for a mind. Not a bit anal retentive are you? Personally, if I want any shit from you I’ll squeeze your head.

I suppose you eat with the same mouth that you spill your twisted and foul opinions with which indicates to me that anyone as bitter and hateful as you are just has wander through life, solitary, unhappy, depressed and blaming everyone else for their own misdeeds. You are certainly a disgusting piece of work. Better increase the Prozac, dear and might want to add a bit of Lithium along with it – but then you well know those psychiatric medications don’t you? You probably have become intimately aquatinted with Thorazine from time to time also.

You’re right. I do have the right to say what I think here but it seems odd that of all the disputes I’ve had with other posters, you of all of them are without a doubt the nastiest piece of human filth to stain this board. I dare say that you must leave a slime trail when you move about that draws flies from miles around.

But, then again, we must be considerate for the mentally ill, mustn’t we? In your case, I’ll make an exception. I find you to be a festering boil on the ass that is the SDMB. I owe you no explanations for anything and you are free to have all of the demented and suppurating ideas about me that you choose. (They’re called hallucinations, dear.)

I don’t find you worth the time to discuss my views with, unlike the other posters who choose to disagree with me. Make sure you keep your therapist appointments and when that blackness starts to settle in, as it always does with you, it might be wise to consider that much of it is generated by your own hatred of self.

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CAREFUL! We don’t want to learn from this!(Calvin and Hobbs)

[Byzantine]

Gee, nice little rant, lickspittle. Too bad it all falls flat when you have never addressed your multi-poster problem.

So, gonna admit it? Or just yell, “Fuck you!” again?

Jump all over me, verbally, it just makes you even more pathetic. Wanna go big guns? Put yourself up against me in any forum. Let’s put it to the posters at large, shall we? Or is that just too frightening for a tout like you?

You can sit there and say I’m fully acquainted with medications when you are the one who admits that you have psychiatric problems that must be controlled through medications. In fact, in one thread, you yelled at me because I don’t drink or use drugs. Now you are saying that I’m the one that knows them. Uh huh. Nice try but it won’t fly. Like some of your grammar:

“just has wander through life,” you might want to fix that. Oh, wait, perhaps it is due to the drugs you are strung out on. Or one of your sock puppets posted it and you didn’t realize it until too late.

Get a grip, Mark. Either face the music, face me, or look in the mirror and admit what you are.

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[beakerxf]

Sentinel has it ever occurred to you that it’s not whites that blacks dislike, just you? That they pull the race card with you so often because they can see that you are a racist?

You had mentioned earlier that you felt could never say anything bad about a black person without being called a racist. Sure you can. But when you expand that critisism to the entire group and state it over and over and over and over again. Your posts show that you have spent a lot of time thinking about this, that it has become an obsession to you. That you see everything in terms of race. That, sir, means you are a racist.

[OpalCat]

You know, it gets to be real damn hard to discuss anything concerning race without someone jumping in to accuse you of being a racist, a bigot, a White Supremacist and so on.

Let me get this straight… you start off saying “Hey! I’m a bit of a bigot – and I’ve admitted that in past posts” and then you get bent out of shape when someone says “Hey! You’re a bigot!” !??

Originally posted by Sentinel:
I think the point we’ve been arguing on is the interpretation of dialect. I consider it broken English. I consider the way Bostonians speak as dialect along with the odd way many Minnisotians end their words on the up tone. The difference is – the two examples speak English while the Black hodge podge consists of fractured and made up words. Much like the deliberately affected ‘cool limp.’

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This is because you don’t know the difference between a dialect and an *accent[/].

No where else, among any of the various peoples of the world, have I ever observed the strange and ‘ethnic’ hairstyles as accepted among Black women and Men nor what often appears to be ‘clownish’ attempts of applied decorations.

You’re just not looking hard enough.

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beakerxf

Well, since I have many Black acquaintances that I get along with, plus have worked with many Black coworkers with no problem and have had not reason to fire many Black employees who chose not to pull the race card, I would tend to disagree.

I might have been in error in my posts which gives the casual reader the opinion that I am bigoted towards the entire Black race, which I am not, which I attempted to display among my replies. (Something which seems to have been remarkably ignored.)

I am against those who insist on pulling the race card every time one turns around. I have not yet been able to locate the laws concerning magazines and products, which I have been assured that do not exist. If that is the case, then it is Politically Incorrect for Whites to generate White Only products but not so for Blacks.

Even in the products for ladies cosmetics, as was brought up to me, while most are designated for White women, there are many boxes and packaging showing Black women using the stuff. I have seen no such packaging for Black oriented products of the same type.

Nor have I seen any Miss White America, like there is a Black Miss. America. Are there magazines similar to Ebony called Ivory? How about the Black Music Awards? There is no White music awards. Black Entertainment Television. There is no White Entertainment Television.

So far a cigarette maker and a beer company have gotten into trouble by targeting some of their products mainly for Blacks – since the companies are owned by Whites. How about the quiet introduction of Thunderbird wine and MD20/20 primarily in Black areas. (Both wines brewed like yesterday and with the alcohol content artificially increased.)

If you pay attention, you may spot many things with Black in the title, which does not indicate that Whites may not use them, but indicates that they are targeted for Blacks. Aside from paint, Whites do not have anything targeted for them – aside from various racial hate groups.

OPALCAT

There is a difference between accent and dialect. New Yorkers in Florida have a Yankee accent. Southerners in New York have a Southern Accent. People in the French Quarter of New Orleans have a Cajun dialect. Jamaican people speak a dialect. The much discussed and commonly used Black Speak is a deliberately cultivated mass of broken English and slang which also may include an accent. (A’ight popped into being within the last 10 years from all right. Wassup - wuzup - popped into being within a similar time frame from the White coined ‘what’s up’ phrase.)

One may walk into a major Chinese community and hear broken English or a combination of English and Chinese but not find it full of created words or words chopped up into slang. A chunk of the Black community insist on creating a ‘separate’ form of language to distinguish themselves from Whites. (Crib = home. Homeboy = person from their general area or friend. Massa = derogatory term for a White man based on old Slave terms.) There are distinct changes in the ‘Black language’ for each decade from the 1960s to now. Each one created to separate themselves from the other races, primarily the Whites.

Concerning physical differences: Even Blacks are making jokes about ‘big butt’ women, about ‘them heavy sistahs,’ ‘ashy skins’, and made up African and Islamic names. That is accepted, but no White may make any similar observations without being called on the carpet about it.

Your pix was interesting, but you didn’t walk around like that for days at a time did you? I saw native African hairstyles a couple of decades ago that were weird, but then I also saw some French ones that were weirder and in the middle 60s, some White Americans promoted styles that were just plain insane. Plus I have knowledge of the strange European hairstyles worn in the Renaissance period.

The difference is that as society changed and matured, such styles settled down into more ‘acceptable’ versions and those that got weird were worn by both White and Black. (Punk rocker hair cuts.) Plus, those styles were generated, not based on some ethnic dream. The majority of the hair styles that I’m talking about are based on original African designs, but taken way too far.

Granted, Black (African) hair is much different in texture, strength and structure from Caucasian, requires different care and different beauty chemicals, something like the DUSTY, DIRTY looking dreadlocks imported from Jamaica are not attractive and mainly worn because Blacks thought them up. (I ignore the many nice examples of Dreads, small, beaded, shiny, neat and concentrate on those big fat, dusty looking things that resemble a nest of squid eggs fastened to the ocean floor.)

Then comes the Proud Black Man wearing his hair done up in little squares, each with a small pigtail sticking up until he resembles the much abhorred ‘lil’ Black Boy’ pictures of ages ago. I still cannot get over the absolutely degrading and ugly style some Black mothers use with their little girls in twisting their hair into little squares, applying a small piece of ribbon or string to the resulting ‘pig tail’ and sending them out so they look like the old pictures of ‘po’ little slave or share cropper’ girls.

One Black woman told me that the style was used to protect the brittle hair. Another told me that it was nothing but laziness on the mothers’ part because Black hair is more difficult to comb and another informed me that it was a ‘badge of pride for those of us who were once slaves of the WHITE MAN so we will NEVER forget.’ (GEEZ!)

I am a bit of a bigot but when I get jumped on, I’m considered a racist with wild ideas that no one else seems to see – at least here on the SDMB. Either that or any posters agreeing with me are afraid to post. Those who have agreed, post mildly and vanish.

The original post was about Black women looking better. I agreed. They are and not just to WHITE standards but to societies’ world wide. They are trimming up, putting on better makeup, using better hair styles, dressing better, dropping much of the ‘ghetto’ crap and actually starting to pull away from the ‘bad black’ image that most Black artists like to portray.

Bad Black TV example: The Parkers. Two women, both hefty bags, both exaggerating Black stereotypical behavior.

Good Black TV example: Moesha. Single teen, fitting in with the general society, mingling with progressive and intelligent Black peers, rarely exaggerates any ‘Black stereotypical behavior.’

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Funny. AOL has no similar sites designated for Whites – and, again I’m not including any racial hatred places. Sure these sites are open to all who chose to visit but they are DESIGNATED as Black. Any similar sites designated as WHITE are frowned upon. Again, separate but equal desires.

Type in Black or African American into your browser and see how many Black sites pop up. Type in White or Caucasian and see NONE pop up.

There is a dichotomy. Denying it is stupid and ignorant, an attitude which promotes people much worse than I into creating hate groups. Saying that many Blacks are not promoting seperationism to ‘keep the race pure’ is foolish also.

From a Black woman in the audience of the Ricki Lake show dealing with Black men dating White women: “What do you think you’re doing? We’ve come so far to keep the race pure and now you want to muddy it up.”

Not the best example, I’ll admit, but one I’ve heard be

[beakerxf]

Originally posted by Sentinel:
**beakerxf
Even in the products for ladies cosmetics, as was brought up to me, while most are designated for White women, there are many boxes and packaging showing Black women using the stuff. I have seen no such packaging for Black oriented products of the same type.

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The matter of cosmetics are quite simple. You can’t make one cosmetic product for all women. A cosmetic product that works on an olive complexion would look wrong on a pale complexion. I will never wear a black cosmetic product because it would look all wrong on my complexion. And most black women I know avoid cosmetics designed for white women because it is all wrong for their coloring.

Also, I would never use a hair product designed for a black consumer. That is because I have ultrafine, wavy, oily hair, whereas the typical black hair is kinky and dry.

If you examine cosmetics closely you will see that they each is designed to be used by a very specific group.

**How about the Black Music Awards? There is no White music awards. Black Entertainment Television. There is no White Entertainment Television.

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The hispanic community has their own awards. As does the gay community. I seem to recall there even being an award that is geared towards christians. If you look hard enouh you could find awards for just about every group of people.

If there was a white entertainment award show, I wouldn’t watch. Why? Is it because I think it’s racist to have one? No. It’s because I wouldn’t see the point. What commonality would we all have besides the tone of our skin? Not a whole hell of a lot. The blacks for the most part have that common heritage. They can trace their roots to slavery and before that Africa. Whereas, whites can’t find a common heritage. I’m white, yet I have nothing in common with you. My father’s family where Spanish Catholics and settled New Mexico in 1605. Though there is one line in his family that immigrated from Germany in 1864. And another line that was Apache.

My mother’s family were from England and Scotland, converted to Mormonism and immigrated to America.

Do you share any of my heritage?

If I want to celebrate who I am I can go down to New Mexico when they have Herenzia days. I could celebrate Oktoberfest. I could watch Apache performances. I could go to the Renaissance (sp?) festival in Austin, Texas.

In my hometown in Nevada they have Basque parades. In the New England area they have St. Patrick day parades. There are historical recreationalists that celebrate colonial America. You could celebrate Chinese New Year, Hannakah, Christmas, Kwanza, or Ramadan if you so choose. There are Cinco de Mayo celebrations. There are so many ways to celebrate your heritage in this country.

You can turn on the television and watch Univision, BET, or Lifetime. Oh, and by the way, you can turn on Comedy Central and watch the Man Show if you want something geared towards just you. There is plenty of target broadcasting out there.

I fail to see the disparity that you see. Do you have problems finding products that are suitable for your skin and hair? Do you find yourself wishing there was more entertainment that reflected your interests? Do you watch advertisemnts and feel like they are not talking to you? Media is widening their focus not narrowing it. The white, straight, male audience is still a highly coveted one.

[tomndebb]

Nor have I seen any Miss White America, like there is a Black Miss. America. Are there magazines similar to Ebony called Ivory? How about the Black Music Awards? There is no White music awards. Black Entertainment Television. There is no White Entertainment Television.

Sheeesh! Can you give it rest with this drivel? These things are all about money. If someone wanted to set up a “white” version of these things, there might be screaming, but there would be no law against it. Yo also totally ignore that all of these pageants were established when blacks were not allowed to enter the (white but we won’t call it white) pageants. They hang on now simply because there is money to be made by the promoters. The same thing is true for the latina and asian pageants. Somebody got the idea of promoting these things by culture to make money and they caught on. There used to be Irish and German and Polish pageants until the number of applicants dropped to the point where they were no longer profitable to the managers. This isn’t race; it’s cash.

The same is true for the awards ceremonies and the TV networks. There is a market for that stuff and they are selling image. While someone who tried to start a WET might get hooted out of the business, more likely they simply couldn’t get the funds to finance it because the sponsors already know where the white audience it.

And you are still harping on the dialect issue, for crying out loud. C’mon, name one linguist who will support your weird ideas.

You get called racist because you post silly generalizations based on your narrow views of race, most of which are easily refuted with facts against your opinions.
Deal.

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[WallyM7]

Nope. I’d say that Byz has your number, Sentinel.

Reading your hate-filled garbage disgusts me. But I’m going to fix that by scrolling whenever I see your name.

[Koxinga]

Sentinel, I’m surprised you didn’t mention the opposition of some black activist groups to white couples adopting black children. I did a search and found this article from the Detroit News. One quote:

Some social workers and psychologists question whether it’s generally appropriate for a white family to raise a black child, and whether that child would lose a sense of heritage.
“Can a white person talk about race discrimination firsthand?” asked Toni Oliver, a spokeswoman for the National Association of Black Social Workers, who also runs a black adoption agency in Atlanta. “Can they explain black heritage or explain why their child’s hair is kinky and not straight?”
Only a “person of color” could prepare a black child to succeed, Oliver said, and there are plenty of African-American families to adopt youngsters.

DHR

[Koxinga]

Lest I be accused of merely giving fodder to Sentinel without expressing my own opinion:

Is there any other group in American society with such a deep, ingrained inferiority complex? Do Asian American activists claim that only Asian parents can adequately explain to their kids why their eyes have an epicanthic fold? “Kinky hair”? Give me a break.

And as for educating kids on their “African roots”, I tend to suspect that any collective folk memory of the African continent was wiped out long ago among American blacks. (IIRC, the importation of slaves from Africa was outlawed soon after the American Revolution, so probably all slaves alive at the time of Emancipation had been inhabitants of America for several generations). I think a white couple with a genuine interest in the subject (which I think could be assumed in this case) could probably do just as good a job educating their kids about African history and culture as a black American couple. The only thing that would be missing would be the self-loathing and fear of general society that appears to still be instilled by many black parents to their kids.

DHR