Are Vegans Healthier?

They certainly think that they are. But what does science and statistics have to say?

I just had an interesting talk about the matter with my cousin and my friend.

My cousin said he couldn’t stick to a vegan regimen because human bodies were made for meat (at least according to him). My friend N. says vegans on the whole are sickly and malnourished (according to her).

So what are the facts? And please don’t make this a moral debate about veganism. Yes, I know you feel strongly about it. I am a vegan in my heart of hearts. So I know where you are coming from. But this is a purely factual question. Thank you:).

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Well, they all end up dying.

In theory if they took the right diet supplements (according to online vegan diets lack vitamin B-12, iron, calcium, vitamin D, protein and omega-3 fatty acids) you would be healthier than meat eaters since you wouldn’t deal with a lot of disease that come from eating a lot of meat (like heart disease, high cholesterol, and some cancers)

Of course if you were also eating a “healthy” diet with meat you also wouldn’t be suffering from those problems either. There’s plenty of people vegan or not that suffer from various problems because they eat too much in general.

I’m a vegetarian. I have been one since 1986. When I first became a vegetarian, I had to make almost all my own food from scratch. There was one brand of soy hot dogs, and it was expensive. I had a pressure cooker, and didn’t even use canned beans-- I actually bought in bulk, and cooked beans in the pressure cooker. I did my own seasoning, and didn’t use a lot of salt.

As it happened, I lived in a cold-water walk-up, and I walked or biked to get food almost every day, so I always was eating fresh vegetables, and that was part of the whole “thing.” I didn’t have a lot of money, but I had a copy of The Tao of Cooking from a used bookstore, and a gift subscription to Vegetarian Times.

I didn’t eat things that were packaged or made from mixes, because they nearly always had something I couldn’t eat in them. The unhealthiest thing I ever ate was a mac & cheese casserole I made with real cheese, sauteed onions (in olive oil), and chopped Roma tomatoes that my aunt grew in her garden. And I usually ate it with a side of seasoned beans, and something like carrot sticks.

As vegetarianism became more popular, there were so many (high in sodium) fake meats to choose from, and lots of packaged things that stopped having animal products in them. Wonder bread was OK. Oreos were OK.

Almost any diet that makes you pay attention to what you eat, cook from scratch all the time, and read labels is a good diet, for the most part. There are exceptions-- fad diets that aren’t balanced because they have too much of one kind of food, whether it’s meat, kale, or mangoes, aren’t good, but there’s nothing really special about veganism, vegetarianism, or eating meat, for human health, as long as the person preparing it knows how to make it a healthy diet.

The main difference among them is that when they are inadequate, they are in different ways: bad meat-based diets are usually full of a lot of crap, and have way too much protein and sugar, and lack fiber. Bad vegan diets lack protein, and have too much raw carbohydrate, and can cause indigestion. It’s actually kind of hard to screw up vegetarian right now, if you use some of the fake meats-- but not too many, and are sensible about sugar. But that’s just because of the number of people that follow the diet right now.

Even high protein, low carb diets like Atkins can be sensible, if you take them seriously, and choose lean meats, don’t over-consume cheese, choose fat-free dairy otherwise, and make sure that you eat plenty of the low-carb vegetables that are allowed on the diet. You really have to make sure you get plenty of fiber on this diet. In fact, one of the downfalls is how much “low carb” stuff is available commercially. The diet works because you cook mainly from scratch. When you rely on prefab low-carb commercial foods, you might as well not be eating “Low Carb” at all.

Humans are true omnivores. That means that there is no “natural” diet for us. There are certain things we do have to get through diet, such as vitamin C and most of the B vitamins. Unlike Pigs, humans cannot eat literally anything, because we can’t synthesize the vitamins we need.

Really, the only thing necessary for a human diet is that there be some variety to it. There are societies that survived without meat for several months out of the year, and societies that survived with only preserved and stored (as in, a root cellar) fruits and vegetables, and may have occasionally had fresh meat, but even had mostly preserved meat for a while. Perhaps there were fresh eggs and milk.

There have been societies that survived on tropical fruits and shellfish, and societies that survived on dairy products, bread, and garden vegetables.

There is no one single diet that is ideal for humans. There are a few humans with conditions or allergies who have to avoid certain foods, but that does not imply anything for people as a whole anymore than the fact that because some people get a rash if they are out in the sun too long, everyone should avoid the sunlight.

Eating a diet that is satisfying to you, and feels right to you will be healthy for you, because you will eat it.

I’ll give you an example: when I was a teenager, and my mother believed in a meat-heavy diet, and very rarely used any kind of beans, or grains other than wheat (bread) or white rice, I had iron poor anemia, and had to take iron pills. About six months after switching to a vegetarian diet, I didn’t need the iron pills anymore, and was no longer anemic.

I was eating whole grains, including whole wheat & rye bread, brown rice, I was eating a lot of beans, I was eating tofu hotdogs, I was eating larger portions of vegetables than previously, including broccoli, and leafy greens.

I became a vegetarian because I didn’t like meat, so when I had eaten meat, I ate very small portions of it. I didn’t feel satisfied after meals, so I wanted dessert. After becoming vegetarian, I felt satisfied after meals, and stopped eating desserts.

So, even though I wasn’t eating meat, which is thought of as the #1 food for iron, I was eating all sorts of iron-containing foods, and in big portions.

I just use that as an example of the fact that eating a diet that feels right to you can be healthy for you, while trying to force something on yourself can be unhealthy.

So really, I don’t think there’s an answer to your question, other than “Humans are natural omnivores,” and “Staying away from packaged food, while preparing from scratch is the healthiest choice.”

Vegetarians have a longer life expectancy and lower obesity rate. However the health benefits mostly stop applying by your 80s and 90s, when the ravages of age become so severe even diet can’t compensate for them.

Or are you asking about veganism specifically.

Part of the issue could be the socioeconomic status surrounding vegetarianism. My assumption is that, on average, people who engage in vegetarian lifestyles are probably wealthier, more educated and more health conscious. All of which would make them healthier in general and how much of the health benefit is just that people who eat vegetarian are more likely to make good health decisions in general.

Honestly, I think it’s just that if you are a vegetarian, you can’t pop into McDonald’s for a meal. You ALWAYS make time in the morning to make yourself something to eat, because you know that you can’t get something on the road like other people can.

One thing that is safe to say is that not all vegan diets are equally healthy, and not all non-vegan diets are equally healthy. I would not expect a vegan who consumes nothing but Pop-tarts and vodka to be healthier than a person who eats a lot of baked chicken and fish.

It’s hard to find evidence that being vegan (or vegetarian) makes a person more (or less) healthy, because there are so many potential confounding factors.

We’ve done a bit of research on our diet. The Forks Over Knives and Engine 2 - heck, even Penn Jillette - folk claim a lot of science, but I don’t get too heavily into that. And I dunno about hardcore veganism. My suspicion is that many many vegans assume their position for reasons in addition to perceived health benefits.

But I think it is pretty clearly established that - as Rivkah notes, a diet predominantly made up of whole foods, mostly plants, is best for you. IMO there’s no no reason to fear at least the occasional ethically raised meat, egg, fish, butter… - in fact, the diversity likely provides necessary nutrients.

Humans evolved to eat animals. But not an excessive amount.

The regular American diet contains too much meat, eggs, and dairy products. But a completely vegan diet contains no meat, eggs, or dairy products. The optimal diet for good health would be somewhere between these two.

I used to have a vegan housemate who was absolutely the sickly vegan cliche; he basically subsisted on bread, so far as anyone could make out, and got thinner and thinner and paler and paler over the months we lived in the same house.

I also have a couple of vegan friends who eat a balanced diet and look about a decade younger than they really are, one of whom runs marathons for a hobby, and has two kids (now late teens/early 20s) who have both been vegan their whole lives and are really healthy, smart and active.

Overall? I dunno. It is easy to get deficiencies being strict vegan if you don’t pay attention, but if you do, it does seem to be a pretty healthy option. I’ve known very few overweight vegans.

I saw a young guy at the gym wearing a shirt that said “No meat, just muscle.”
I asked him if he was a vegetarian, and he said he was vegan. We talked quite a bit about diet, bodybuilding and sustainability issues. He’s proof that you can be a gymrat, and a vegan. Although he’s not huge, he is very cut, and anyone who didn’t know that he was vegan would assume that he ate a normal bodybuilder diet.

See Game Changers.

Almost certainly.

There are kind of two seperate questions in here: is eating a vegan diet healthier for you, and are vegans healthier than non-vegans? Those are actually significantly different questions.

If there was a $40 per day pill that claimed to make you healthier, but was actually just a placebo, the people who got that $40 pill every day would almost certainly be healthier than those who didn’t. Not because of anything the pill did, but because they have the means to spend $40 per day on a pill, and that generally correlates with better health, and more importantly, because they care enough about their health to buy a $40 per day pill. Now, certainly, there may be some unhealthy rich people who simply want the easy fix and that’s why they’d buy it, but in general, people who prioritize health in one way probably prioritize health in other ways, too. Most of those $40 pillers are probably fitness nuts, exercise a lot, care about their diet, etc.

Vegans, generally, have to put more thought into their food. They have to prepare their own food more often than people who often eat out, or eat fast food, or eat easy microwavable food, which tends to be healthier. So they avoid a lot of common pitfalls of convenience that lead to a bad diet. And, in general, the average vegan food is probably healthier than the average non-vegan food.

They also, I suspect, tend to be more health-concious as a group than non-vegans, although that doesn’t mean that every individual is. There are a variety of reasons people choose to be vegan, like animal cruelty ethics, environmental impact, and personal taste preferences. But they’re probably health conscious at a much higher rate than non-vegans.

Now - if you tried to control for all those factors - and you compared a vegan to someone who ate animal products but was health conscious, prepared their own food, avoided fast food, convenient food, etc., tried to maintain the same level of fitness, would the vegan be healthier? I’m not sure. I’m guessing it wouldn’t be a big difference.

In my experience, vegans are not generally sickly and weak and deficient - the ones I’ve known put a lot of thought into their eating to get a pretty well balanced, high quality diet. As a whole, I suspect that any deficiencies they do have are more than offset by how much less bad stuff they’re consuming.

The diet of 7th Day Adventists has been noted as promoting a healthier, longer life for quite some time. While not actually vegetarians in most cases, they do downplay meat. The pesco-vegetarians among them are particular healthier.

Note that there other aspects of their whole lifestyle that also help.

It was mentioned about the lesser affects of lifestyle as one gets into your 80s or 90s. Generally, your lifestyle (esp. diet) affects how healthy you are well into your 70s. Living reasonably healthy from then on starts to become more and more based on your genes. But if you are an overweight, never-excercising, smoking case, the genes aren’t really going to help much if you luck out and live to 80.

Balance and moderation are the keys to any healthy diet. I don’t know if eliminating one type of food completely for reasons other than intolerance/allergies is moderation, but if it works for someone, it works.

There is a financial aspect to vegetarianism/veganism. Produce is not heavily subsidized by the government like other foods are, so fresh fruit and vegetables can be costly.

The biggest hazard to being a vegan is a tendency toward insufferability:

No, they just think they’re healthier.

I knew a vegetarian who ate pretty much nothing but potato chips and ice cream. That’s probably more common than is realized.

As an admittedly cynical comedian once said: Become a vegan. You won’t live forever- it’ll just seem like it.

People who put a lot of thought and effort into their diet will likely be healthier as a group than the general population. How much is the specific dietary goal is hard to isolate.

More seriously, I’ve known quite a few vegetarians/vegans, none of whom ever struck me as being noticeably healthier than the average person. Oddly enough, one married couple, lifelong vegetarians and insufferably smug about it (hipper than thou), looked and acted strikingly unhealthy.

Just my observation. Looks aren’t everything, and my casual observations are based on a group far too small for basing any conclusions. And I have no way of knowing how many glowingly healthy people I’ve known who were vegan/vegetarian but didn’t feel the need to broadcast the fact.

As others have mentioned, eating whole foods, lots of fruits and vegetables, and minimizing processed foods is probably a bigger factor for health than the lack of meat. Vegans, if they have an advantage over vegetarians, it’s probably more to do with less processed options and a greater mindfulness about ingredients than the lack of animal products.

I don’t think it’s inherently less healthy, there’s plenty of vegan body builders who seem the opposite of frail and malnourished.

Of course, there are non health reasons too.

I don’t think we evolved to eat meat. Our nearest non sentient ancestors weren’t carnivores or vegetarians, they were frugarians. They ate mostly fruit, along with other random vegetation, insects, and the occasional small animal.

Distance throwing caused a change in social interaction and probably jump started the rise in intelligence. The variety we now see in our diet likely has more to do with cultural changes on a time scale shorter than relevant to huge genetic biosystems development.

And of course, the modern typical diet bears little resemblance to any natural diet, so it’s kind of cheeky to put humans in the same category as animal carnivores and vegetarians.