Soxfan59: I started a new thread in the “Great Debates” forum entitled “Now or In the Next Life?”, should you wish to further discuss this issue. 
[[<<< I have to disagree about this, Bob (not the part about loving your fellow man, because that’s a big part of it). God is just, which means that everyone will have a legitimate chance of hearing the gospel, whether in this life or in the next. >>> Snark
True. Romans 1:18-20 makes this clear. Except for the part about “in the next life.” ]] Soxfan
Please – it is a matter of unequivolcal, objective fact that everyone does NOT get a “legitimate chance” at hearing the Gospel (at least in this life), whatever else one may think of it.
Okay, a little addendum here for folks who’ve gotten lost in the scriptural references, etc.
First: Snarkberry and I have been discussing via this message board two particular aspects of Latter Day Saint (Mormon) scripture.
Second: he and I are obviously interpreting one particular aspect of said scripture differently.
Third: Soxfan says he’s mislaid his copy of said scriptures (I’ll post in this very message board a link to those scriptures online shortly) and also that he’d like to know exactly what the hey we’re discussing (poetic license in the indrect quote, bear with me please).
Fourth: My personal interpretation is that those particular verses cited above from the D&C (Doctrine & Covenants) not only apply to members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints being cast out but also to any member of any group who says he’s repenting of a particular offense against that group but proves that he’s continuing to practice that same offense.
Hmmm…I guess it doesn’t take a mental giant to discern that I refer to our pal, ARG220, in this case.
Yet, I pray that he’ll at least open his heart to understand that different folks have different understandings.
Will this happen in my lifetime?
I doubt it, unless beating it into him is legitimate which I don’t particularly buy.
Thank you Tom, you pretty much cleared things up for arg. I pretty much agree with all of what you have said. Too bad ARG doesn’t see it. ARG: Live your life as you believe you should. Don’t worry about others, they can take care of themselves. Oh and ARG, you need to get more reliable sources for your information. Defaming someones religion / denomination is not likely to get you friends.
Soxfan: as promised, here are two good links: http://hollender.org/scriptures/
http://www.hti.umich.edu/relig/mormon/
Doobious: It’s painfully obvious that ARG considers anyone who’s not a member of his faith group prima facie an unreliable source of any information and that only members of his faith group can be reliable sources.
Damn shame, ain’t it?
Monty re: your suggestion to send ARG220 here to BYU – please don’t! Thanks!
The moon looks on many flowers, the flowers on but one moon.
Monty: Wow, you are absolutely right. I forgot that! We all know that ONLY the people in ARG’s church are the experts on world religions and Catholocism. How could i have been so naive?!
Don’t worry, Byzantine. It was just a joke. I doubt seriously ARG has the qualifications to enter a reputable institution, anyway.
Adam, you may want to look for a website by a guy named Charles Moore under the heading of That They May Be One–it’s on Geocities. He runs an email discussion board on ecumenical issues. It’s quite interesting (though I don’t subscribe anymore) and very informative; most of the participants are clergy; Catholic, Protestent and Orthodox. They are really good about answering qustions of the kind you are asking here (ie, what does the RCC believe about…). I couldn’t find it just now, but if you look maybe you will (or something like it).
IMO, that’s a much better place for these kinds of discussions: “in the family” so to speak. Unfortunately, I think the waters are poisoned for you here because of some of the things you’ve said before. I think nearly any post you make here is going to get a lot of hostility.
“It all started with marbles in school…”
I wouldn’t say any post ARG makes, but more any post he makes dealing with religious beliefs in any way whatsoever. Of course, I haven’t seen all that many of his posts that don’t.
My advice to ARG would be to try posting only to non-religious topics for a while and see what happens. He may even find that he enjoys the boards when he doesn’t worry about converting everyone.
Just wondering: The title of this thread is ARG220 – let him live. So, what’s the score? And if it comes up that he cannot live who’s going to kill him? Don’t all volunteer at once now, please! And in case you don’t get it (ARG220 pay attention here) I’m JUST KIDDING! This thread is getting very long and serious and I just wanted to lighten it up with the thought of murder! Happy trails to you…
The moon looks on many flowers, the flowers on but one moon.
They want to kill me again. Dang! Hopefully I’ll get to see “Cabin Boy” before I sleep with the fishes. I hear that film belongs in the AFI.
Adam
“Life is hard…but God is good”
He wants to see Cabin Boy???!!!
We should definitely put him out of his misery in that case.
“It’s bacon!!”
Its all well and good to knock Adam, but please lets keep Cabin Boy out of this.
Chris Elliot is a great man who doesn’t need those kind of jibes.
By the way would you like to buy a monkey?
pat
Cabin Boy? Sounds like a “guy” flick, if you know what I mean. Hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge! My video book says, and I quote, “Pathetic, filthy-rich geek mistakes a grungy fishing trawler for a cruise ship in this lame fantasy-comedy version of Captains Courageous. Rated PG-13 for language 1994” and we all know that PG-13 stands for Perverts Get-off on thirteen year-old. Okay, let the flaming commence!
The moon looks on many flowers, the flowers on but one moon.
My My yet again a close minded neanderthal decides to attack Cabin Boy without even seeing it.
Obviously that book was written by someone who decided to have an expensive 3 martini lunch instead of seeing Cabin Boy.
As Louis Malle said in his- top secret, heavily censored, very well hidden so don’t even try to find- memoirs, “Cabin Boy is a film that I would compare to Au revoir les enfants- if the two films had anything in common.”
If you can’t believe Louis Malle’s words, I don’t know who you will believe.
Now, just because Nathanial Mayweather happened to go to the Fancy Lad finishing school, does not say anything about his manhood.
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Close minded neanderthal? Close? Like I’m close to you? Well, kiss a pig and make me smile sugar loaf! I’m close to you but if you meant closed minded, than we have another thing to discuss! I’m as open as the wide blue ocean! That’s just what I got from my video guide! Tell me all about it hon, and hit the couch while you’re at it! I’m pulling your leg, you know this don’t you pricciar? XXOOXX!
The moon looks on many flowers, the flowers on but one moon.
yeah, So was I. Most people won’t like Cabin Boy, I figured I should put some kind of argument up for it. But, after the “close” minded screw up- I see my place is far away from the pit.
And I better say this before some film historian beats me up. I made up the Louis Malle quote, I just thought it would be really funny if he had said anything about Cabin Boy. He is an awesome director/writer, just not someone who I would imagine seeing Cabin Boy.
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“By the way would you like to buy a monkey?”
No. I dont want a monkey, I dont need no monkeys, WE DON’ HAV’ TO SHOW YOU NO STINKIN’ MONKEYS… sorry. Went all ‘Sierra Madre’ for a while. I’m back now.
We actually don’t need a monkey, though. ARG says that there is no evolution & that if people evolved from monkeys there would be no monkeys. Since we all know that there is evolution, & since ARG did not evolve from a monkey—therefore ARG is the official Straight Dope Monkey-Boy & official missing link! Many happy returns of the day , ARG!