Well said. I’m seeing a lot of ‘I read…’ ‘I saw…’ ‘I did…’ as if it matters. I doubt Curtis’ parents would give a blue fuck (heh) about what any of you did when you were all 13. I rather think they care about what their 13 year old does. That he said no and stated that his parents would prefer he not read such material is pretty impressive considering how much material is available on the internet.
Which is why you’re getting sanctimonious about our sanctimony? Because otherwise you don’t really care, right? That’s why you keep coming back, to tell us what we shouldn’t care about.
This. Note my parental reaction above. Even if what AT did was because of his enthusiasm for the book from an artistic point of view, the court system ain’t nearly as interested in what he thinks is art.
Maybe some people are. Maybe you are; that’s OK, you have the right to be. I don’t know about everyone else. But like I said, I don’t expect everyone to like me. I realize there are some people who are going to be against me, and it doesn’t bother me.
“Offered to you”? Did I offer to buy him a copy of the book and send it to him? All I did was make its availability known to him.
In any case, you should clearly be able to see that I was trying to get the guy to think about the power of language and the idea of “degeneracy” and other issues that pertain to his bombastic and intense rhetoric - to try to get the guy to question some of his assumptions.
I mean, he’s named after a man who stated that he wanted to bomb a country “into the stone age,” e.g. commit nuclear genocide. If the real-life Curtis LeMay got his wish, an entire nation would have had its flesh melted off and be scorched into rubble. Can you imagine the magnitude of that? And yet he blithely adopts the name of this man as his own - and that’s not fucked up at all, but some transgressive literature is?
Let me come in at the beginning again: I understand why people are upset about this. It was a very stupid thing to do for a crapload of reasons. But I contacted the staff after post 4, so the screaming didn’t bring the staff response as far as I’m concerned.
Very well. Stupid of me to bring up that tangent. My apologies.
Argent Towers, those PMs really don’t help you because of the way you appear to be pressing your case. It’s a valid point on its own, but in context of the book you’re recommending, it looks worse.
That strikes me as insanely overparanoid. I’d certainly talk to the suggester and find out what the hell his deal was–and if he didn’t respond or responded poorly, I might well report same to the moderators, but calling the cops strikes me as entirely overboard.
Man, just given your criteria you’d have called the cops on me a few times when I was a teenager myself, if the default is “read this (smutty thing involving BDSM/rape), it’s awesome. Your parents will hate it? Don’t tell 'em.” = call cops.
I don’t have anything to add to this thread because I couldn’t care less if I tried about whether or not Curtis Le May is reading porn, or if someone told him to. I do have to say that this is funny as shit:
Were you an adult recommending them to a 13-yr-old child?
Make up your mind. Either you agree it was a mistake and a stupid thing to do, or you think it was just fine. In any case, your continuing encouragement after he specifically stated his parents would not want him reading it merely serves to compound the issue. What you think he should know about degeneracy is irrelevant.
Remind me. Which of you is the adult?
Hogg is much more fucked up than any of those books. Every page, every paragraph, lovingly details heavy racism, shit eating, child rape, rape in general, raunch sex, piss drinking, sexual violence, incest, and so on. If you have not read it, it is much, much more explicitly, violently pornographic than you are thinking.
Do I think it would lead to a kid becoming a rapist? No, of course not. But it is probably the only book I own that I would not let a minor borrow.
Yeah, I know. Let’s count up how many people have been killed in the name of Hogg, and compare that to how many people have been killed in the name of The Holy Bible. Ready? Start counting!
I will apologize for what I did (I actually already did.) It was stupid; talking to him via PM was stupid; actually, bringing up the book at all was stupid, especially since I had said that I wasn’t going to do it anymore, and I failed to carry that out. But with all that said, I wish people would just grasp the point I was trying to make. This has absolutely nothing to do with “child grooming.”
Ok this is over the line, in a pm, in my opinion.
The real question is where are the freaking moderators?
Hello??? ::::criskets:::::: Helllo???
Do your damn jobs!
I’m not actually particularly worried that the material itself would screw the kid up. My guess is it probably wouldn’t. And if a friend at school gave it to him, it wouldn’t freak me out. It’s not the book, it’s an inappropriate interaction with an adult that bothers me about it. And I’m not saying that Argent Towers is “grooming” the kid, in fact, I’m taking at face value that he did it for the reasons he said. It’s STILL an inappropriate interaction.
I think that when a variant of this is used for the millionth time on this board, the admin should give the whoever posts it a free, lifetime charter membership.
Even if that was true (and having Norman Mailer praise your novel is like having Ray Kroc praise your French cuisine), so’s the writings of the Marquis De Sade, Justine, The Story of O…just 'cause it’s “respected” and “literary work” doesn’t mean it’s ok to recommend to a 13 year old with Asberger’s.
Look up the Comic Legal Defense Fund for an idea of some of the things that people have been prosecuted for–it doesn’t matter if it’s ‘dirty’ or not (and um, yeah, it is), it matters what Mommy and Daddy LeMay think and what they’ll do about it if they find out.
Granted, I’m not a parent, but I find it odd that your first reaction is to think that someone is trying to fuck your kid. Not just fuck your kid, but spend countless amounts of time grooming your child for the NAMBLA relationship, all to whisk them away into a twisted, sodomy-laden relationship.
My first thought would, needless to say, not be that.
Edit to add: I get erring on the side of caution and wouldn’t chastise that at all. I’m just saying that I find it odd the default assumption that someone wants to sodomize your kid is reasonable.
I don’t think it’s odd. I’m not sure what the red flags are to look out for, but it seems reasonable that privately contacting the kid on the internet to recommend child porn might be one.
Then shut the fuck up.
You must not be a parent yet. First rule of parenthood is do talk about parenthood. Second rule of parenthood is assume that there are 7+ billion pedophiles trying to groom your child.
I prefer Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, as it is easier to believe there are 7+ billion stupid people, and AT has already copped to that.
Somebody should tell Curtis that if you read stuff like Hogg, God will punish you by turning you to stone. Then, if he feels himself getting hard from a book or picture, he’ll know he should stop.