Ask the conservative asshole

[SteveG1]

@running_coach

The perpetrators of 9/11 came from Saudi Arabia. Explain why SA isn’t on the list.
No terrorists have come from the countries on the list.

Obama did not ban travel, only required extra scrutiny.

Because something something real estate crooked deals and Trump lining his own pockets.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/306990-trump-appeared-to-register-eight-companies-in-saudi-arabia

President-elect Donald Trump registered eight companies during his presidential campaign that appear to be tied to hotel interests in Saudi Arabia, according to a report in The Washington Post.

Trump registered the companies in August 2015, shortly after launching his presidential bid, according to The Post.

The companies were registered under names such as THC Jeddah Hotel and DT Jeddah Technical Services, according to financial disclosure filings.
The names of the companies registered appeared similar in pattern to how Trump named other companies connected to hotel deals registered in foreign cities, according to the Post. Trump names companies after cities in the state in which he is dealing with. Jiddah, also spelled Jeddah, is the second-largest city in Saudi Arabia, located on the Red Sea coast about 60 miles west of Mecca.

The Post reported that by the time of Trump’s May financial filing, four of those companies in which Trump was the president or director were still active. Trump has in the past said he wants to protect the oil-rich Arab kingdom.

During a rally on August 21, the day Trump created four of those companies, he said he gets along well with Saudi Arabia.

“They buy apartments from me,” Trump said during the Alabama rally. "They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”

Trump’s Business Ties to Middle East Precede Him (Published 2017)

Before his inauguration, Mr. Trump handed his business, the Trump Organization, over to his eldest sons and his executives. But even with that distance, Mr. Trump continues to be the face of the company that bears his name, adding an unusual dimension to his foreign tours and diplomatic outreach — with the potential that he could return again as a businessman. In fact, Mr. Trump has registered or applied for a number of trademarks in both Israel and Saudi Arabia in the last decade, according to a review of international trademark databases, in categories that cover both potential real estate development projects and consumer goods.

…The Trump Organization has said it scouted a hotel deal in Saudi Arabia in recent years but ultimately opted not to pursue it. The company had set up eight corporate entities that appeared to be linked to a Jidda, Saudi Arabia, deal in August 2015, after Mr. Trump had begun his campaign. Each of those has since been canceled.

At a rally in Alabama in 2015, Mr. Trump suggested that he had benefited from the Saudis in his residential business, saying: “Saudi Arabia — and I get along great with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”

[Knowed_Out]

@Monty

Good grief, you are fucking unbelievably stupid. That bullshit you just posted has already been dissected on this board.

I think it should be obvious by now bill doesn’t really take this thread seriously. He’s just going to answer with however much he thinks he can jerk liberal chains. He doesn’t even seem to like Trump that much and can’t really justify his conservative-based opinions. He’s typical of the people who didn’t so much vote for Trump as much as they voted against liberals.

So remember, there’s going to be 60+ million billfishes next election, and they will still vote to spite liberals. That means if the libs want that to change, they’re going to have to figure out some way to get the billfishes over to their side.

[msmith537]

@Knowed_Out

I think it should be obvious by now bill doesn’t really take this thread seriously.

It’s been my experience that people who start “ask the asshole” threads are generally interested in little more than gloating about how much of an asshole they can get away with being and how much it pisses off the sort of people who think they are an asshole.

[begbert2]

@billfish678

@begbert2

After thinking about it some, the only things I think that Trump personally stands for are:

1. Praising him
2. Loyalty to him
3. Him getting money
4. Him not paying money he owes
5. Nobody getting away with insulting him
6. Him having dictatorial power (as a business owner has)
7. Grabbing pussies
8. Being racist
9. Supporting racists
10. Supporting dictators

I’m willing to concede that I’m a bit biased. But that’s why I asked you what you agreed with. If anyone knows what you agree with it’s you; I shouldn’t have to play a guessing game.

Again.

Ask about an actual policy/decision Trump has/made and I’ll tell you why I’m for it or agin it.

And 10 questions? Seriously.

Ten YES/NO questions. This is not hard! Don’t be a coward! Stand by your convictions! Here, I’ll give you an example of how to answer:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no.

Took me ten seconds to write that. Of course, those are my answers. In your case I can reasonably assume, based on your comments here, that all those would be yeses.
(And you didn’t ask for ‘policy/decisions’ - you asked what he stood for! And that’s what you got. I know you’re desperate not to give a straight answer to anything that would reveal to yourself and others what an awful person he and everyone who generally agrees with him is, but that’s no reason to try to move goalposts.)

[Bricker]

@iiandyiiii

So if you yell it at a random Hispanic person in the street, they won’t think that it’s a slur? 'Cause if most Hispanic people think it’s a slur against Hispanic people, then it’s a slur against Hispanic people.

Alternately, can you find a single long-term conservative Doper – perhaps Bricker, Shodan, Bone, Fotheringay-Phipps, or anyone else, that would agree with you that wetback is not a racial or ethnic slur?

I agree with you on this point: it’s a slur.

Of course, inasmuch as I am Hispanic, perhaps I’m biased.

[Bricker]

@k9bfriender

I voted on the candidates based on their positions, policies, and speeches. I didn’t vote on them based on what some guy somewhere said. I didn’t vote on them because some conservative somewhere didn’t cite his source.

It really does sound like if you had gone through with your initial impulse to turn your ballot in with a mark next to trump, it would have been in order to spite a bunch of people you don’t even really know, rather than for actual superior policy and governance.

That’s why billfish voted for trump, he puts spitting in the eye of liberals above the welfare of the country, but I would have hoped that that was a small minority of voters. To know that you almost succumbed to the temptation to take actions you knew would be harmful to not only your political enemies, but to your political allies and even yourself, even though you claim to act on principle over emotion actually explains quite a bit of the support for trump. What I thought was a minor issue, people putting the desire to hurt others over the desire to help, is much more widespread than I thought. Maybe I was naive or optimistic, but I really did think that the vast majority of people in this country actually wanted the country to do well.

I appreciate your input on this matter, and disabusing me of this notion.

This is not accurate, but it’s my own fault – my conceit that everyone breathlessly follows all my posts.

In the thread in which I related my voting dilemma, I was clearer that policies (or lack thereof) for both candidates were primary motivators. Weighing against Clinton, for example, was my concern about her potential Supreme Court appointments and her apparent willingness to abandon or reduce support for Israel. Weighing against Trump was his total lack of in-depth policy, his willingness to lie (and more generally his willingness to flout established political norms) and his lack of government experience.

In this thread, I clearly said said that the way people behave here was "part of the reason, and I was moved “in part by discussions here as well.”

To the extent that you read those as meaning “mostly” or “in large part,” that wasn’t accurate.

[Bricker]

@Bricker

Weighing against Clinton, for example, was my concern about her potential Supreme Court appointments and her apparent willingness to abandon or reduce support for Israel. Weighing against Trump was his total lack of in-depth policy, his willingness to lie (and more generally his willingness to flout established political norms) and his lack of government experience.

To again rehash what I said at the time, I think Mrs. Clinton is dishonest, but her dishonesty is on the scale of ordinary politicians: she lies more than most do, to be sure, but not in ways that could be called unprecedented or unusual.

Trump’s lies were, if you’ll pardon me. . . HYUUGE. We might imagine comparing lying to size of states; I thought Obama qualified as Delaware or Vermont. Clinton probably rated as a Colorado or a Nevada, but not even a Texas or an Alaska, and Trump rated as Betelgeuse.

[begbert2]

Now I’m confused - were you mentally tottering between 52% for Clinton vs 48% for Trump, with the desire to spite us nudging you 3%, or was there a HYUUGE difference between the candidates that our annoying liberalness still managed to nearly push you across?

I ask only because you are clarifying…unclearly. (Normally I honestly wouldn’t care.)

[billfish678]

@begbert2

Ten YES/NO questions. This is not hard! Don’t be a coward! Stand by your convictions! Here, I’ll give you an example of how to answer:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no.

Took me ten seconds to write that. Of course, those are my answers. In your case I can reasonably assume, based on your comments here, that all those would be yeses.
(And you didn’t ask for ‘policy/decisions’ - you asked what he stood for! And that’s what you got. I know you’re desperate not to give a straight answer to anything that would reveal to yourself and others what an awful person he and everyone who generally agrees with him is, but that’s no reason to try to move goalposts.)

Well, I’m kinda partial to number 7, but I probably couldn’t get away with it.

[begbert2]

@billfish678

Well, I’m kinda partial to number 7, but I probably couldn’t get away with it.

You’re rather courageous to say so, even jokingly. (You realize we’re judgy here, right? Super-judgy.)

Personally I wish there was a person with a pussy that wanted me to, er, grab it, but if there’s a part of me that wants to go around doing it Trump-style I very sternly tell it to shut up and sit in the corner until it realizes why it’s wrong.

[billfish678]

@begbert2

You’re rather courageous to say so, even jokingly. (You realize we’re judgy here, right? Super-judgy.)

Well, I kinda missed out on rape month this year so I’m trying to make up for lost posts…

[iiandyiiii]

@Bricker

I agree with you on this point: it’s a slur.

Of course, inasmuch as I am Hispanic, perhaps I’m biased.

In this case, you’re biased towards having a more accurate understanding of whether it’s a slur or not, since you’re a member of the target group.

Hispanic people understand anti-Hispanic slurs better than white people, for the most part.

Black people understand anti-black slurs better than white people, for the most part.

This isn’t that hard.

[Bricker]

@iiandyiiii

In this case, you’re biased towards having a more accurate understanding of whether it’s a slur or not, since you’re a member of the target group.

Hispanic people understand anti-Hispanic slurs better than white people, for the most part.

Black people understand anti-black slurs better than white people, for the most part.

This isn’t that hard.

I don’t think I’m biased either way.

But in the spirit of examining my biases, isn’t it possible that I’d regard something as a slur out of an unreasonable sensitivity to being the target of slurs?

Again, this is hypothetical: I’m not. I feel certain.

[Bricker]

@begbert2

Now I’m confused - were you mentally tottering between 52% for Clinton vs 48% for Trump, with the desire to spite us nudging you 3%, or was there a HYUUGE difference between the candidates that our annoying liberalness still managed to nearly push you across?

I ask only because you are clarifying…unclearly. (Normally I honestly wouldn’t care.)

It’s hard to say. When I walked in, I was absolutely prepared to vote Clinton. I had spent the last several months going from disbelief to low level fury as Trump survived the primary process. I couldn’t stand him.

But when I got to the ballot, and started marking, I marked all the downstream races and then thought, “How can I vote for Hillary Clinton?” She’ll be a nightmare. I went back and forth, finally marking Trump. But then as I walked to the machine to have it read, I couldn’t do that either, so I wrote VOID on the ballot and requested another. . . then stared at IT for a while.

So it’s fair to say that I was close, and it’s fair to say that the excrable attitude of some participants here made an appearance in my thoughts, but that didn’t really sway me.

So I can’t answer a percentage, but it’s fair to say “small.”

[begbert2]

It doesn’t take much to believe that a person, hispanic or not, would believe that “wetback” is a slur solely and entirely based on the fact that of course it’s a slur. Denying that it’s a slur is sort of of denying that “red” is a color - it requires complete ignorance of the word’s meaning and usage.

Until this thread I would have rejected the idea that you could accomplish this via deliberate ignorance, but the internet seems to exist to shatter any and all positive illusions about humanity.

So while being hispanic might help in knowing the exact weight and level of insult the word has, I can honestly believe that Bricker knows what the word means simply because he has, at some point in his life, heard the word used in a sentence.

[begbert2]

@Bricker

It’s hard to say. When I walked in, I was absolutely prepared to vote Clinton. I had spent the last several months going from disbelief to low level fury as Trump survived the primary process. I couldn’t stand him.

But when I got to the ballot, and started marking, I marked all the downstream races and then thought, “How can I vote for Hillary Clinton?” She’ll be a nightmare. I went back and forth, finally marking Trump. But then as I walked to the machine to have it read, I couldn’t do that either, so I wrote VOID on the ballot and requested another. . . then stared at IT for a while.

So it’s fair to say that I was close, and it’s fair to say that the excrable attitude of some participants here made an appearance in my thoughts, but that didn’t really sway me.

So I can’t answer a percentage, but it’s fair to say “small.”

This election truly sucked, for everyone. (Excluding Nazis and the KKK, who were probably ecstatic to be openly represented for once.) I gather that most liberals were holding their noses while voting too. But we didn’t have the ‘future judges’ factor weighing against us, so it was easier to stomach Lady More Of The Same.

[iiandyiiii]

@Bricker

I don’t think I’m biased either way.

But in the spirit of examining my biases, isn’t it possible that I’d regard something as a slur out of an unreasonable sensitivity to being the target of slurs?

Again, this is hypothetical: I’m not. I feel certain.

It’s possible, but I think it’s a lot more likely that you’d have an accurate view of it.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@Knowed_Out

I think it should be obvious by now bill doesn’t really take this thread seriously. He’s just going to answer with however much he thinks he can jerk liberal chains…

This. I posted as much in another thread. He’s just a fucking troll, who is fapping away to all these replies.

@Knowed_Out

So remember, there’s going to be 60+ million billfishes next election, and they will still vote to spite liberals. That means if the libs want that to change, they’re going to have to figure out some way to get the billfishes over to their side.

Yeeaaaa… No.

There is no way to get spiteful, ignorant asshole trolls like over to the left. They would shit their own pants just to make the dude in the bus next to them uncomfortable.

The right-wing is their natural habitat.

[Knowed_Out]

I think I understand what Bricker’s saying. I’m white, but I wouldn’t be offended if somebody called me gringo, whitey, cracker, etc. That’s because my racial group is dominant in the country where I live… for the next 15 or 20 years maybe. By the time the non-whites take charge, I’ll be too dead or too senile to care.

[Bricker]

@iiandyiiii

It’s possible, but I think it’s a lot more likely that you’d have an accurate view of it.

I always think I have a more accurate view of everything, though.

So, yeah: slur.