I call my foreskin my penis-scabbard. Because of the scabs.
“Honey”.
:smack: I’m stupid.
Yeah, you wish you’d come up with that one, /b/rethren.
I think I missed this one. Sorry about that. I must say I really don’t know what I would do. If I were to find out someone I know would be contemplating this, I think I would talk to them about it and maybe even try to persuade them not to do it. But that’s just because I don’t ‘know’ anyone who doesn’t have other options (for instance, I’m struggling to think of anyone I know that doesn’t at least have a college degree). If they are adament that they want to be in this type of work, I’d probably be happy they chose the saunaclubs. I think this is a much better place to do this job, than many of the alternatives.
Even though the thread seems to be reaching its natural end, I thought I might still post a few of the promised anecdotes. Most of these are just ‘WTF, I can’t believe this place is for real’ moments, but there are also some funny moments. Most of these occured in Oase, but definitely not all of them.
I must say the first time I visited a real FKK (with the girls all nude) was kind of special from the moment I entered. I had been to a few saunaclubs before, but there the girls mainly sat around waiting to be approached. In all seriousness, in those clubs it doesn’t look that much different from what you see at the beach or at a swimmingpool. When I entered Oase for the first time on the other hand, it was quite a sight to see. Twenty to thirty naked girls (in this particular area) waiting for clientele, and a few of them stepped up to me immediately while I hadn’t even changed yet. After changing I walked into the garden, only to see a couple having at it on one of the tanningbeds and a three- or foursome on the super bed that was overlooking the garden. I thought: wow…this is different.
This was also the first time I had to deal with ‘hunting’ ladies, which was probably quite obvious to the girls. The first time I went to a room that day, I was just ‘assaulted’ by a girl; at no point did I make any real decision to go with her. It started when she she just grabbed my hand and pulled me into the kino – without paying attention to my objections – she sat me down, said: ‘Hi, I’m xxx’, and started kissing me…only to switch to a blowjob after a few minutes (while still ignoring anything I had to say):eek:. Not long after that I finally convinced her to move proceedings to a room, but that really was the first time I had any say in the whole thing. Didn’t regret it though:p.
For the next bit I have to explain the lay out of the club a bit more. When you enter the building from the garden, you enter the welness area, which has a small flight of stairs that leads to a platform with a few tables and barstools. From this platform you have a tight corridor that leads to the rest of the club. These two bottlenecks – the stairs and the corridor – are places where girls often hang out to catch their next ‘victim’. At some point I walked in from the garden to get a drink from the bar, when a perfect storm of coincidences came together, with men leaving this area and girls coming in. Halfway up to the stairs I stopped in my tracks when I realized I was the only bear in the room (even the hottub was empty) with more than 20 girls waiting on the platform. One of the girls I had chatted with already called my name and said: ‘why do you stop? Are you afraid of us?’. At this point all the girls were looking at me with a big grin on their faces, and with the memory of being dragged into the kino fresh in my mind, I just said (with a smile): ‘hell yeah, I’ll just go to the bar in the graden for my drink’ after which I left leaving a chorus of laughter behind. Needless to say I had lot of girls inquireing if I had gotten over my fear yet that evening:cool:.
Another time in Oase I was talking to some other bears about how strange it was that this club with its terrible food and very limited choice in softdrinks, at times also offered fresh pineapplejuice and fresh pieces of watermelon. When a more experinced bear chimed in and said: ‘well, cum in mouth is pretty common service here…’:eek:. Later I asked a girl if it was true that they provide this fruit to improve the taste for the girls, to which she shrugged and said: ‘It doesn’t hurt’.
While in a room with one of the best girls I’ve been with, I decided to finish with a cum in mouth. We had a lot of fun together and after cumming, I was still lying on my back with my eyes closed when she ame back up to give me a kiss. When her lips touched mine I was just thinking that I hadn’t noticed her reaching for a paper towel or anything…soon it became clear that she hadn’t:eek:. It wasn’t exactly what I had bargained for, but she thought it was hilarious. I quickly decided she needed some corporal punishment and after a brief chase in the room I tickled het until she asked for mercy:D.
Another cum in mouth anecdote, again with a fun girl. After cumming she passed me the half finished beer I had left on the nightstand and as she did so she swallowed, only to follow with: ‘hmm salty; I swallow your cum and give you beer, what more do you want from a girl’… after which I was a bit speechless.
I walked past a girl waiting for the bathroom to free up, I said hi but only got a quick wave in return. I did notice that her cheeks seemed a bit puffy. Later she came up to me to apologize, seems she was with a guy in the kino who couldn’t hold it during the blowjob and since she couldn’t find any paper, she had to go to the bathroom to ehh..empty her mouth.
Since the food is so bad in Oase, it is quite common for bears and girls to order food from an Italian place nearby. So you often get a 16/17 year old delivery boy (with his helmet still on his head) entering the club while a whole bunch of these naked girls rush towards him. The looks on their faces are priceless (even though they are probably used to this), there must be a long waiting list to work for this particular Italian place;).
Not really funny this one, but one time I saw a girl about to leave for the night and thought, damn she looks 14 years old. Hair in pony tale, wearing a Mickey Mouse t-shirt, jeans and sneakers in a bright color. Only for her to turn around and give me a big hug, while telling me to come again soon. Turns out I had been with her twice that evening:confused:. Just to be clear, with her hair loose and in high heels she clearly looked like the twenty year old she was (claimed to be).
Once while some Italians were being loud for no apparant reason, some girls decided to see what the fuss was about and started pulling their towels off and ‘assessing’ their packages. Especially funny was the guy they labeled as ‘small’, only to shower him with kisses and cuddles while telling him size wasn’t that important.(with the rest of the garden laughing off course).
In a club in the centre of Frankfurt, which I will never go to again as it is the only club I’ve been to where most girls try to scam you into paying more than you should, I overheard a guy totally being played. The girl was just asking ridiculous amounts of money and he seemed to totally go for it (saying he would go for three hours, accepting extras, etc.) only to say: ‘maybe not’ when his regular girl appeared from the dressing room. Turns out he was a semi-regular there and was just looking to see how far the girl would push it. Very funny!
It is always funny to see the reaction when someone comes loudly in one of the public spaces; last time it was in the garden just as ‘dinner’ was being served and everyone started applauding, while the somewhat embarassed girl and bear quickly fled inside.
Same goes for very old guys taking girls to the room. There is one guy that must be over seventy and every time I see him in the club there is a point where he leaves for a room with two gorgeous girls (usually blond model types). This always brings a big grin to my face (and many other bears as well)…
That’s all that springs to mind for the moment;)
Ha! I guess it’s appropriate that an icebear gets a snowball.
I should have thought of that! Missed the chance to have the analogy stick:).
Just remembered another anecdote (while I’m already responding and all). It was in a club that has rooms that uses a similar locking system as toilets usually do…except my girl didn’t close the door properly. So while we were at it (both facing the mirrors next to the door), the door opened and as soon the couple saw us they closed it again. My girl said the lock must be broken and to keep going; a few minutes later the door opened again, but this time the group (!) were too busy with each other to notice us there. So there we were, me and my girl mid-coitus looking at two bears and two girls with surprised expressions on their faces, as they hurredly left we heard one of them saying ‘it said it was free right?’; so my girl grumbled and checked the door, just to see that the door was working fine, except that she hadn’t closed it:smack:. Later had a laugh with the two bears (who recognized me) in the bar, but still somehow pushed it to the back of my memory :D.
I am moving to Germany and I recently learned about the FKK Clubs. It has been interesting reading your insights. You have given more useful information in one forum then can be found anywhere else.
I think it would be really interesting to visit one of these clubs at least once, who knows maybe twice, maybe more.
You mentioned in one of your posts that one can read about individual clubs in various forums… where can I find these?
Also which clubs in the Duesseldorf area are the best? Or are there any that are worth checking out? Or which ones have you really enjoyed? If you don’t want to answer in the forum let me know via message.
Are there any types of girls that one should avoid? I think you make this point. Many Americans will go to a strip club and go for the biggest breasted girl only to get a horrible lap dance. So, I would imagine the same can go at a club of this nature too.
If you are talking to a girl and you are thinking about going to a room… is there any touching that would be considered inappropriate? Or is there anything one should not do? Just want to make sure I follow the proper etiquette.
I don’t even know if I will have the time to check one out right away after I move, but if I do it would be nice to have that additional info.
Again, thanks for the thread. It has been a really interesting read!
Every other guy has fantasized about with two girls at least once in their life…
Is it possible to do that at one of these clubs? Not that I would, but it would be an interesting option.
Yes. Or three or four or however many you can handle if that’s your thing, though it’s polite to ask the girls first who she’ll work with. Some girls actively push to do this, because it means throwing some extra business to a friend. Just don’t expect a “group discount.”
Google “fkk clubs sex guide”, the top link is a pretty decent free forum.
I’ve only been to Berlin and Frankfurt so I can’t comment on Düsseldorf. Use the above mentioned forum.
Avoid the pushy girls. While I know they’re there to make money some girls are so persistent that it feels like harassment. I remember one girl in Frankfurt who just wouldn’t accept a “no” and tried physically pulling me into a room, then getting her friend to help, and when both of those failed kept bugging me every five minutes so that it was impossible to relax. That was the last time I went back to that club.
Some girls don’t do anal, and an even smaller segment will refuse to kiss. Some are newcomers to the trade and are painfully shy. That’s why it’s important to get to know your girl while still in the cantina. Make out with her and see if she’s receptive. Or just ask her outright. If she won’t do what you want (within reason–if you’re looking for something really kinky like BDSM or furry costumes you’re in the wrong place) just move on to the next girl. Most (and by that I mean like 95%) girls are up for anything, because (1) they’re there to make money and (2) the competition can be fierce and they’ll lose business.
Vicculum has given some pretty good answers already, but i’ll add some points. Too lazy to parse the quote though:p.
Threesomes are common and in some places girls ‘hunt’ for a client together. Whatever you do, always ask the girl who she wants to work with. Just asking two random girls will rarely work out. Since you are moving there, I’d say find a girl that has provided you with good service first and then (maybe on a next visit) ask her to recommend another party (or pick a girl out together). Very few girls are not up for this, because it mostly means less work. Be careful about your bill running up though, a girl on girl ‘show’ quickly adds up (and is hardly ever worth it).
I’ll PM you in a bit about the forums and clubs around Duesseldorf, don’t want this to become a ‘how to guide’. The English language forums aren’t that good by the way. A lot of infrequent visitors (tourists), who aren’t used to decent service levels. Check out which names post a lot about factual issues and different clubs, these are usually local guys (for instance the UberMod from the Dutch forum). Locals don’t take the English reviews particularly seriously, since ‘you guys’ aren’t used to anything:p (the Germans say the same about the Dutch btw, not entirely undeservedly). And I myself have shared a few chuckles with a Belgian bear, when we read a review from a one-time American visitor about a girl we both know quite well…I think the phrase ‘take it with a lorry full of salt’ was what he used.
I would also avoid the really pushy types, for the rest it all depends on personal taste. There are sharks in every club and sometimes it is very difficult to know beforehand. Often you can predict what kind of session you will get by the way a girl is in the bar. Will you be replaying a porn flick, or will it be very carefull and slow (often new girls). Just talk with her and find out if you click.
Since you are in a common area with many other guys and girls, just be ‘When in Rome’ about it. It is usually clubculture that determines how much public action is ‘normal’. I will say that I feel the clubs around Frankfurt - also because the girls are fully nude - are a bit more ‘liberal’ in this regard. Usually it will be the girl that takes the first step anyway. Otherwise just don’t be too abrupt. As an example (a bit explicit maybe), if you are wondering whether it is acceptable to finger a girl, just slowly move your hand down and play with her pussy a bit. If she wants you to stop, or warn you about her boundaries, she will tell you (or say: ‘not here’).
I don’t know when Vicullum last visited these clubs, but lately it seems you should check about the possibilities more and more. French kissing isn’t as selfevident as it used to be (still a large majority though)… even in my beloved Oase; last friday was a bit disappointing, which also has a lot do with me setting my standards higher and higher (quite a difference from when I started this thread actually).
I last visited in May last year. Sadly Frankfurt isn’t anywhere near midwestern America and I haven’t been back. I agree with you that Oase is the bomb though and I often think fondly back on my time there. If teleporters were practical I’d probably visit every other day ;).
I’ve never heard anyone refer to themselves or others as “ice bears,” that must be a European thing. On the English forums I frequent the term used is “mongers” (short for “whoremongers”).
Guess I’ll ask a question of my own: you have any experience outside of Germany and Netherlands, polar bear? You ever try the termas in Brazil, or bar girls and soapies in Thailand?
Siam Sam says you gotta be careful about that.
Well, not really. The vast majority of girls and establishments are aboveboard. Never, ever take the advice of a taxi driver. The streetwalkers you do have to be a bit careful of, but even then most – most, mind you – are not that dodgy. Many are not full-time but rather shopgirls and hairdressers and even uni students and such, supplementing their income, especially toward the end of the month when rent is due. There is a big debate over here about which girls are better or “safer” – the street girls or the bargirls, with both camps polarized. If you’re a newbie, probably best to stick with a bargirl and give the street girls a miss until you get some experience under you belt (so to speak, heh.) The massage parlors are largely legit; beware of touts or taxi drivers trying to steer you to someplace, as that’s always a bad sign.
The prostitution scene in Thailand gets a very bad rap in the West. A very distorted view. That’s due in part to certain journalists coming here with preconceived notions and determined to prove their notions correct. I know many bar owners and website operators who won’t give these people the time of day after having had their words taken out of context so badly in the past.
Yeah I like the Frankfurt clubs as well, allthough I spend most of my time nearer to the Dutch border. Many clubs, all with their own identity. My first Oase visit was probably just a few weeks after your last visit by the way. I’ve been back a handfull of times and most have been great, it was just last weekend that seemed to show a slight downturn, but I’ve heard the same from some regular visitors. Still the best club in the area. Like I said, I’ve also been spoiled with some great encounters, which may be making me a bit over critical.
‘Icebear’ is the default name of clubvisitors in Dutch, it only refers to sauna/FKK club visitors though. Men who engage in other forms of prostitution will have other nicknames. I’ve also seen it many times on German forums, but there is plenty of cross overs between Dutch/Belgian/German icebears and Dutch/German language forums, so it is a bit hard to see how common it is among Germans. The Dutch forum is also named after this nickname by the way…which in the beginning meant that some kids googling for polar bear info probably had the forum as one of the top 3 hits:eek:; now the forum is google safe and just googling for ‘polar bears’ will not give you the forum in the results.
Mongers seems to refer to all men looking 4 pay4play (Yakuza style!) if I undersood correctly, but yeah I’ve seen that word used a lot.
No, no experiences other than the Netherlands and Germany. I’ve never really taken vacations just for this hobby. The windows in Holland, were always just a short walk/bike ride from where I live…or if I had to be in another city anyway, I sometimes took a detour to the ‘local’ window area. Never planned, always a spur of the moment thing.
I got to know about the clubs through interner and I mostly just drive up and then back at night. Sometimes I might spend a night in a Hotel and make it a weekend (definately if I’m going to Frankfurt). The closest club is about 100 miles and a large group of bigger clubs is in the 120/130 mile range…so pretty doable. Oase is about 300 miles one way though. Brazil and Thailand are the two most visited spots by, ‘forum colleages’ that do take vacations with prostitution in mind.
Thanks for the info. Again this is an interesting thread. Maybe I will get to go to a club at some point… maybe I won’t. But I think I have some good info in case I ever do decide to go.
I think it could be a lot of fun. You never… Maybe I would really enjoy it, or maybe it would freak me out and I go running out the front door.
If I do go I will let you know.
I didn’t really know where to put this. Don’t really want to start a discussion about mod actions, but after reading the last pages of the thread of now-banned Joecool1983, I was a bit surprised with the quick dismissal of the guy’s story. So I just zombied this ol’ thread.
I don’t know if there is some other reason (besides his postings) to doubt his trustworthiness and I certainly don’t know if he is ‘for real’ or not… but I didn’t really read anything that is that unlikely.
It has been a while since I did this thread and looking back, it seems I’ve been wrong or at least naive on a number of issues… and reading back, I seem to have changed a bit as well.
Getting back to the assertions in the other thread:
- unprotected sex seems to be spreading quickly and happens far more then I’d ever thought.
- guys falling for a girl and spending a lot of money on a single girl, happens time after time
- guys doing all kinds of stupid shit for girls isn’t as uncommon as you’d think
- I wouldn’t socializing between ‘boyfriends’ and ‘johns’ is common, but a few weeks ago I happened to find myself in a club with a girl I know and her boyfriend ( abit weird really).
The whole thing really isn’t as unlikely as you’d think.
*PS many girls don’t like to ‘receive pleasure’ when they are working, I would say it is sometimes more respectful not to reciprocate.