All of this is legal and quite in the open. If you arrive in Frankfurt, you will see advertisements for these clubs on billboards and on the side of cabs driving around. Whenever I want to get directions to a club, I go to google maps - focus on Germany - type in the name (or just the general FKK club) and let google tell me how to drive. The websites of these clubs all have information about how and under which numbers/names they are registered as a business.
Good that you asked about prices, I thought I’d mentioned this already. For the previously mentioned standard package you usually* pay 50 euros for half an hour, an extra half an hour can either be another 50 (so 100 for an hour) or 25 (75 for an hour). The cheaper longer sessions are typically only seen in Nordrheinwestphalen(NRW), even here some stick to 75 an hour, while other clubs set the price at 25 for every half an hour extra (so 3 hours would be 175).
In general you can say that cum in mouth costs 25 (although I’ve heard about girls who do it for 10) in NRW and 50 in the Hessen area. Anal is 50 extra in NRW and 100 in Hessen, but there are a lot of girls who don’t do anal at all (I’ve heard, it’s not my thing). There might be some smaller differences, but the above is generally true…there are also other extras (rimming, watersports, whatever you can imagine) that are usually the same price as cum in mouth. For all these extras the club still sets the prices** that can be charged. There is one club that even states on its site that cum in mouth is 25 and swallowing another 25…:eek: In most clubs it is up to the girls what they do with a mouthfull.
*The big Berlin club charges 60 for half an hour, and in NRW there are a few clubs that have 30 or 40 is a standard price…but no discounts for longer sessions (the club with 40 for half an hour is slowly becoming one of the big players in the area).
** There is often signs that say ‘the girls amongst themselves have decided to set a fixed price for…’, but that isn’t very likely.
So, this is rather indescreet, but I’m interested in the money. Is there a standard price for basic service, or do the women mostly charge the same amount? What’s the price, or range of prices you pay for service (no extras), after paying the door charge?
See the above;) If you’re really cheap (and not too fussy about the looks of the girls), there are also clubs that ask only a flatrate (including sex). So you can use welness, food and drink and have all the sex you want for anything between 80-150 euros. The girls will be less pretty and cuddling and kissing will not be standard (but definitely possible). I’ve been to such a club once and hardly did anything, at that point it became very clear to me that I don’t go to clubs for sex perse, but for sex with beautiful girls that I would have no chance with otherwise.
I just find the idea of mandatory sex acts pretty offensive. Enthusiastic, non-coerced consent should apply to sex workers too. In a non-abusive environment* either partner always has the absolute right to put a stop to the proceedings for any reason, even once payment has changed hands. Certainly, if an act is paid for and then refused by the worker, the payment should be refunded. I have no problem with customers exchanging info on workers who make a habit of changing the terms in such a way, as it obviously lessens the experience, but I think the idea of “package deals” enforced by club management is repulsive.
*reading back through, you don’t explicitly argue that these clubs are not abusive. I’m assuming that you do not believe them to be and am proceeding from that assumption. If you (or any client) do believe a club is abusive to the sex workers, and frequent it anyway, that is straight-up evil.
What’s your dubiousness about? That someone would pay extra for something stereotypically considered “hot”? That a worker would charge extra for said desirable act? As for “mandate” see my comments above about mandating anything…
No, no!! Firstly these are different clubs. More importantly the mandatory service only refers to the standard package (kissing, cuddling, oral both ways and sex). All extras are optional for the girls. So you won’t have any problems with management if you don’t allow men to come in your mouth, but you will get in trouble if you don’t allow a guy to eat you out.
I should make clear that this whole discussion is pretty recent, since the number of girls who don’t kiss or don’t want to be eaten out (usually one of both, they seldom have problems with both) has been rising. I you ask the old farts about 2005, they’ll say that everyone provided the full package. This is probably also the reason some clubs find it necessary to make sure all girls are offering full service (which apparantly was a sure thing 5 years ago).
Otherwise I had the same reaction when I read about paying for swalloming. I am fine to leave it up to the girl.
Read for comprehension. There are certain standard acts a girl must perform… with those she chooses as her customers. If she doesn’t want to blow you she doesn’t have to take you on at all. Cum in mouth and swallowing are extra services that she may choose to charge extra for.
Then you wouldn’t have to pay for it (I’m assuming arrangements would be made before she ever got around to blowing you - you wouldn’t be discussing how much she charges to swallow while she’s got a mouthful). For some people (including me) it’s hot to know where the load is about to wind up and what’s going to happen to it.
I personally see both sides of the argument and do feel that girls are always free to choose to work in one of the other clubs. There really isn’t anything about this club that makes it that much better than other clubs (except maybe the exceptional food).
As a non-native English speaker I might have chosen the wrong word in ‘mandate’. Off course the girl is always in her right to stop proceedings…provided she doesn’t expect to be paid. Coincidentally, at this very club I went to the room with a girl, who immediately after undressing told me she couldn’t…eh accomodate me. No problem - I actually stayed, beacuse I liked her honesty - if I had wanted to, we would have left and nobody would be displeased.
“There is one club that even states on its site that cum in mouth is 25 and swallowing another 25… In most clubs it is up to the girls what they do with a mouthfull.”
This is the quote I was referring to. He said that there was one club in particular that did, in fact, mandate a girl to swallow if the customer paid an extra 25. (But I do love how you seem to hang on my every post. I got my own little fan club here, how cute).
Exactly, glad to know I wasn’t too unclear about that.
I should emphasise I know of exactly one, small, club that has this pricing. All others only have fixed prices for cum in mouth. You probably can make arrangements with your girl if you want her to swallow (beforehand, for extra money), but there is also quite a few girls who do it anyway.
If that’s the way it came across, I should have been more clear. As far as I know there are no clubs that make girls swallow. There is one (well a few) club that has as a houserule that all girls must kiss, cuddle, have oral both ways and have intercourse when they decide to take on a client.
There is no club that demands that the girls allow a guy to come in her mouth, let alone swallow it.
There is one club ( that does not mandate any services) that presents a pricelist that includes an extra charge for swallowing, if the girl is ok with that.
I would definately not go to a club I feel is abusive. I probably also wouldn’t complain if a girl would not provide full service. The reason that (some) icebears care about this ‘mandatory package’ is that in other clubs you spend a lot of time figuring out whether a girl kisses or not, and if she says yes, whether it is real kissing or a weak excuse for it.* So some bears like to go to a club where they know all girls kiss. This still soesn’t mean anything beacuse kissingh is a rather broad concept. And like you rightfully say, no ‘acts’ can rival the importance of a girl being enthousiastic.
Also no one will ever be forced to do anything, if a girl doesn’t kiss (at all) the worst that can happen is that the icebear complains at the frontdesk and if this happens too often the girl will be asked to leave.
*One of the main reason I go to these clubs is because I like to kiss. I’ve had a few experiences where I’m getting along greatly with a girl and we’re cuddling and chatting forr half an hour, only to find out she doesn’t kiss…