Ask the Left-Wing Alt-Right Prick

Here are two categories:

  1. People who’s gender matches what was on their birth certificate
  2. People who’s gender does not match what was on their birth certificate

Can you illustrate what the third category is and who it is that doesn’t fit into either of these categories?

Next example, also two categories:

  1. People who are named Bob
  2. People who are not named Bob

Can you tell me what person would not fit into either category?

You also have not yet offered any alternative to cisgender for those that are described by the word cisgender.

Do you have a suggestion?

In the spirit of the past few posts, I’d like to point out that “not transgender” is always an option.

Those are definitely two different examples of a pair a categories. Nice job!

How about 3) People who don’t identify with any gender, regardless of what is on their birth certificate. That sound like a good category to you?

I would never suggest what other people should call themselves.

So their gender identity does not match what is on their birth certificate, therefore they fall into category two. You still have not found a person that would not fit into either category.

Maybe less with the attempts at humor and more with the critical thinking.

Here’s a clue from mathematics:

The set A + !A = infinity

Whooda thunk this thread would wind off into this? It’s very entertaining!!!:slight_smile:

Cool so everyone else can go ahead and keep using the word, and you can make up your own word for yourself. Sounds like a plan. Also sounds like you are just going to confuse everyone and end up having to explain yourself every time you use your special word, but that’s your prerogative I guess.

Do they? So in your opinion, someone who is gender fluid is also transgender?

What do you mean “identify”? I’ll quote myself here:

I’m gonna be sloppy and just quote some google definitions here:

Cisgender: denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds with their birth sex.

Transgender: denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.

Both of these people exist. They exist regardless of what word you use to describe them. They exist regardless of what word they use to identify themselves.

So, again, if there is a person who does not fit into either of those definitions, I’d like you to spell out, roughly, what the defining characteristics of that person.

I don’t know. Like I said, I’m not an expert, and my experience/education does not contain all knowledge. I already mentioned intersex people; I’m not sure if they count as maybe a third gender, or if in fact all gender is on a spectrum and that man and woman are just useful words to describe a critical mass of traits at either end of that spectrum.

It’s better than the stupid recipes that people were doing in the past. :slight_smile:

There are some agender and genderqueer folk who don’t like to be called trans, but generally speaking Airbeck is right, most people still consider them to fall under the trans umbrella.

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Sure, what you said.

Strange that you don’t know the answer, but yet proclaim that someone is cisgender just because they are not transgender.

My opinion is that you are not very good at the whole logic thing.

But, manson1972 why don’t you step up and give us some of your thoughts? Tell us what you think. Do you think everyone is either cis or trans, and if not say who they are. “A person who neither identifies as transgender nor cisgender” is no answer.

And really, I’m not sure your point in all this. Are you arguing that maybe there are more gender terms that might be useful? If so, I’m sure most of the people you’re arguing with would give a resounding, “hey, let’s talk more about that!”

Or, do you think that men should just be called men, based on what kind of genitalia they were born with?

Or, something else?

You’ve yet to actually put forth a position in all this, and your series of leading questions and lack of direct answers are both tiresome and non-constructive.

Do they? That’s not what I have read.

It’s my experience, yes.

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The only position I’ve put forth is “Don’t call me cisgender”

Questions are only “leading” if they lead up to something. I simply wanted to know what the poster’s thoughts were on the subject. Is that a crime? Wanting to know what someone thinks?

As for direct answer - I was under the impression that there were people who were neither cisgender nor transgender. Gender fluid comes to mind, among others. If that’s wrong, then someone can correct me.

As for anything else, I’ll call people whatever they want to be called. I no more care about someone’s gender than I do about their sex, orientation, marital status, skin color, heritage, or whatever. People should be treated as people. Consenting adults should be allowed to do anything that doesn’t hurt others. People should be able to be whatever they feel they are. It’s not hard, really.

I’ve stated multiple times that I am no expert, and am interested in discussion. I’ve also asked you to put forth your opinion about some specific questions.

You seem to have no interest in taking a position or engaging in discussion.

But I’ll say this one more time: Based on the understood definitions of the words transgender and cisgender, every person is one or the other. As far as I understand it. I am happy to talk about ways in which that binary is or is not a useful or functional categorization.

And I’ll ask one more time: do you quibble with the definitions? Do you dispute that all people can be described by one word (and its associated meaning) or the other?