Ask the Wedding Professional

I work in the wedding industry. Ask me anything.

Well, not anything. I figured this might be of some interest, since wedding-related stuff pops up here occasionally. Currently I work as a wedding coordinator. I work “for” a group of three women who are full-scale wedding planners. The difference is that Wedding Planners traditionally take charge of the whole affair, open to close, and do most of the grunt work for you of contacting vendors, negotiating prices, hiring the various professionals necessary, etc. As a coordinator, I do a somewhat scaled-down version of this–I help the bride to organize her plans, put her in touch with a couple vendors whom I think will be best for her, create schedules, create timelines, and generally take about 75% of the guesswork/initial workload off the bride. (The final puzzle piece is the day-of wedding coordinator, which I occasionally do as well–this is a person who works only the day of, and occasionally the evening before, in order to make everything run smoothly that day only.) But there is a limit–I am not going to address envelopes for you or craft your centerpieces. (But I’ll help you find someone to hire to do that!) I don’t personally know enough to deal with coordinating destination weddings, but my bosses do.

I have also worked in bridal retail selling wedding gowns and accessories, which I think a lot about going back to–I liked it more than doing this. (Hint: Say Yes to the Dress was both the best and worst thing to ever happen to that industry.)

I can’t be TOO specific with the clients, but I deal personally with about 250 weddings per year. This includes the weddings I coordinate myself and the weddings I help my bosses with. I have seen A LOT–“country” weddings with camo and pickup trucks and Budweiser kegs, classy elegant affairs in country clubs and tuxes and ice swans, church basement weddings where the bride’s family did all the cooking and decorations, outdoor weddings in the park with BBQ, and pretty much everything in between. I have had tremendously sweet and lovely couples, and I have had nasty, mean couples, and I have had a couple who got divorced about three weeks after the wedding. I have had a groom dissolve into tears sitting in my boss’s office. I have also seen a groom in tears watching his bride walk down the aisle.

Ask me wedding questions! I quite like weddings–that’s why I do this, after all–so ask me everything you’ve wanted to know about weddings but never had anyone to ask. (Caveat: I will not plan YOUR wedding, I cannot offer advice on specific vendors or coordinators, I cannot get you a discount on wedding gowns, I cannot get you a discount on ANYTHING.)

How do you make money?

We charge by percentage. My bosses, to do full wedding planning, charge 20% of the total budget. To do what I do, coordinate a wedding, costs 10% of the total budget. Day-of wedding coordinating is an additional fee and depends basically on how much crap is going on–for a simple, basic, ceremony-and-reception-in-one-place type deal, $500 for the day. For a complex, moving-around, different vendors at different places, tons of guests type deal, it can be upwards of $2000 for the day.

Do you or your bosses take a cut from your recommended vendors?

No. Some professionals do, but we don’t. We have vendors we especially like to work with and via repeat business they’re able to offer us better deals, but as a rule, no. The vendor charges their price, which we build into the couple’s budget, and we figure our fee from that.

Good to hear.

Do you think it’s true that the word “wedding” means things are arbitrarily expensive? I don’t know how it is in the US, but in Korea the word “wedding” seems to mean vendors will automatically charge you more for no discernible reason. For example, at a flower website I looked at, the wedding centerpieces are almost double the price of a regular centerpiece but they look pretty much the same.

Do you have any funny stories about crazy brides?

Do your clients sometimes request things that are not good etiquette? (regarding guest lists, seating, gifts, whatever…) How do you handle that?

Have you seen any really bad etiquette violations at weddings you’ve worked on?

Do you or your bosses ever get stiffed for your fee by the parents or the couple? What do you do if they won’t pay you your percentage?

How do you chose your preferred vendors?

HazelNutCoffee: Yes and no. Yes, in that certain vendors do charge more for weddings with good reason–the ur-example is caterers. For your average 200-person corporate banquet, the caterer will charge a standard fee and not worry too much about it. But for a 200-person wedding, the caterer might charge double to cover his “headache fee,” which means the couple calling frequently to add/drop/change menus, the mother of the groom calling to order ten kids’ meals unbeknownst to the couple and necessitating a volley of phone calls, the bride calling to see if they can substitute chicken tournedos for the beef medallions because her new sister-in-law doesn’t eat beef and she’ll be offended if they serve beef, and blah blah blah blah blah. Tour average 200-person corporate banquet is just not going to have the same amount of drama and tension attached to it because it’s not as high-stakes. Sometimes, really headache-inducing couples have ruined it for everyone else. But for other things, like flowers? A certain amount of the markup is due to the extra consultation that something like wedding flowers would require (an initial consultation, maybe two more meetings to nail down specific flower choices and display choices, plus installation at the venue). I can’t answer for all the different vendors because I can’t pretend to know exactly what it is that makes wedding flowers different from some other floral installation, but the short answer is that a small number of really demanding, frustrating people have given a lot of vendors a lot of headaches.

LC Strawhouse: On etiquette. Yes, we have seen some egregious stuff. But it’s a really fine line to walk–on the one hand, yes, we are being paid for our expertise and our opinions. But we really don’t want to offend someone who is going to pay us! My bosses usually try to gently steer people away using general language (i.e., putting “Cash Gifts Only Please” on the wedding invitations is a gigantic no-no, but you can’t tell a couple “that is awful,” it’s better to couch it in terms of "You know, usually most people don’t put anything about gifts on the invitation–have you thought about including a registry card in the invitation or printing a link to your wedding website instead?) or gentle persuasion. When it comes right down to it you can’t absolutely stop Sally and Johnny from inviting all of their exes even though you think it’s a horrible idea, and you can’t stop Sally from seating Johnny’s ex-girlfriend at a table with all of Sally’s ancient maiden aunts, even though nobody is going to be pleased about it. Usually we try to gently dissuade people from doing the worst things they dream up, and bite our tongues about the stuff that can’t be changed.

astro: No, like any other vendor we have the couple sign a contract and if they flake on it, we’ll take them to court. Although I believe this has only happened once to one of my bosses, a few years back.

DummyGladHands: On preferred vendors. My bosses have been doing this for a really long time, so they have a lot of contacts and friends within the industry that they like to throw business to already. Usually our preferred vendors are people who we actually enjoy doing business with and are professional about what they do. If we take a chance on working with a new florist and she is prompt about returning messages, has a great client manner, competitive rates, does a good job, and bills in a prompt and efficient manner, then we will bump her up the list of florists. If she sucks at any one of those things (maybe she’s great with the clients but hell to try get ahold of, or her arrangements fall apart because her setup wasn’t the best), then she gets bumped way, way down the list. Our lists of vendors are usually sorted by type, too–if the couple wants a big floofy cathedral wedding and country-club reception and the flowers to match, we’ll call florists A, B, and C. If the couple is getting married at City Hall and having a reception at the VFW Hall later, we’ll call florists D, E, and F–because the styles of the couple and the florist have to match. There’s no use in hooking up City Hall Couple with Lady Dazzleton’s Orchids And Exotic Hothouse Flowers R Us–they’re just not going have similar styles. So we have preferred vendors within each subgroup, if you will, and the vendors we work with are those who have shown themselves in the past to be professional, efficient, good quality, competitive, and have good client manners.

As far as crazy brides go…one bride I knew wanted to have a helicopter entrance to her reception. She was getting married at a golf course, and the helicopter would pick her up at the other side in full gown and veil regalia, then bring her slowly towards the reception, showering the guests with flower petals from above (I swear), then alight nearby and the bride and her father would emerge from the copter and walk down the aisle together. It wasn’t actually my wedding but one of my coworkers, so I don’t remember the specifics, but the bride was quite pleased with everything afterwards, so it must have been OK.

Also, a crazy groom: an outdoor wedding reception, in August, and he wanted an liquor ice luge. (This is where a big block of ice is strategically carved into some kind of attractive shape and holes are bored through it, so the bartender pours the shot in at the top and you wait with your mouth agawp at the bottom, waiting for the now icy-and-watery liquor to shoot on in.) We absolutely could not get him to see reason–with the temperature forecast to be above 90 that day, his ice luge wouldn’t last very long, it would be melting and dripping and a waste of money. He DESPERATELY wanted that ice luge. So he went ahead and booked it, even after the ice sculptor warned him that optimum results were not likely to occur in that weather. The luge melted with amazing speed. The groom was pissed off. The ice sculptor and my coworker just stared at each other and did this: :smack:

What is your relationship with wedding photographers and videographers like? Do you have a small group that you’ve found to be reliable and you stick with them, or do you just have to deal with whoever they hired?

I do concert video, and I know I could do an amazing job of a wedding, but fear of the Wrath of Bridezilla has kept me from looking at that area of the business.

Why? :confused:

Was The Wedding Planner a realistic portrayal of the industry?

Are you married? If so: how fancy was it? If not: does the industry you work in make you want a really simple wedding, or would you plan it to the nines?

Have you ever seen someone use their pet as a ring-bearer? How did it go?

What’s the worst bridesmaid/best man speech you can recall? Not the whole speech obviously. But if they told a horribly embarrassing story or got so drunk they pissed themselves, hehe

And I’d also like to hear a juicy story, if you have any. Bride and groom ever got caught banging in the bathroom? Ever witnessed a newlywed cheating on their spouse before the end of the reception? Spill, please! :smiley:

Let’s have a bad behaviour story! Who would you’ve liked to put on the naughty step? Parents maybe? Or the bride? Sister of the bride?

I’ll throw in my own, from when I used to work in a hotel. After the reception some of the party headed into town, leaving behind the oldies and also the sister of the bride and her kids, her husband heading off to party on. She was obviously bored and feeling left out, and she ended up banging my colleague while the children were asleep. So I’ll put both her and my former colleague on the naughty step for bad wedding behaviour.

OK - you asked for it. :smiley:

As someone who eloped (in part due to extreme lack of funds) and never regretted it, much of the “wedding industry” I find utterly baffling or strange. Then again, I’m not your target audience. So…

What is this “say yes to the dress” you speak of? I have never heard of it. Then again, I find wedding gowns baffling anyway - I got married in ethnic attire. Is it true that brides are routinely expected to lose weight and the dresses are altered with the assumption that the woman will lose weight? If that’s true, what do you do if she doesn’t drop some pounds (or even gains some?)

Is there a lot of upselling or do you actually try to stay within a budget? Do clients often have insanely high budgets in regards to their income? I keep hearing about people going into massive debts for weddings and it boggles my mind - I certainly didn’t, I can’t recall anyone in my family doing so, I can’t recall any close friends who did so (did have a couple of friends use a helicopter in their wedding, but the groom was a professional chopper pilot and they used a copter he already owned, they didn’t need to rent one. I think his coworkers even tacked a “just married” banner to the tail boom the next morning) and even the children of some of my friends have had modest, self-planned, but very enjoyable and lovely and entirely paid for weddings. Then again, I’ve known several people in my life who said they post-poned weddings for years due to funding issues. Just wondering how common it is for people to go into a decade of debt for these events. Have you ever flat out told a couple that what they wanted was completely out of their budget range? (Politely, I assume).

Has anyone ever asked for silk flowers rather than real ones? Or something in lieu of flowers?

I’ve heard some stories of epic fights at weddings, ever had to deal with one?

Have you done many weddings where your main contact was the groom? Or is it usually the bride?

Photography and video is kind of tricky because there’s such a limited quantity–a florist can handle three weddings on a Saturday, but a photographer can only do one. Likewise with a videographer. So like with other vendors we have a preferred list of people to work with that we usually recommend. But if the person has their heart set on Photographer X that we don’t know or usually work with, that’s OK too, though we do try to chat with them beforehand to make sure everyone is on the same page, planning-wise. (I.e., how many shooters are they going to have? A videographer? How many hours of shooting will you be there for? What is the photography schedule? Did the bride agree to feed you so we can call the caterer to add another meal?) It’s nice if it’s someone we’ve worked with before so we generally have a good idea of how they operate, but it’s not a huge deal otherwise. If we are working with a new person we will scrutinize their portfolio very carefully, though, and call their references, and if there’s something hinky we must let the couple know.

Why what?

I have actually never seen it! I’m not a huge rom-com fan and I have a feeling that “no” is the answer to the realism thing.

Yes I am. It was a relatively simple wedding and small–under 50 guests–in a historic home. I did most of the grunt work of planning myself and hired a day-of coordinator (one of my coworkers!) who made sure everything ran smoothly. It was relatively low-stress, probably because I do this for a living and frankly I didn’t really care that much about every little thing. A lot of brides stress unnecessarily about making sure they have a theme and everything matches and the escort cards match the invitations match the centerpieces match the favours, and I was…not caring, really. So it was pretty laid-back. But one of my coworkers got married a couple years back in a huge black-tie ballroom-style bash, and that was fun too.

Yes. Although we try to discourage the level of unpredictability that pets can bring to the ceremony. Many officiants will also REALLY REALLY strongly discourage using your pets in the ceremony simply because it can lead to chaos, and they dislike that. One of my bosses did a wedding where the ring bearer was the couple’s elderly golden retriever, and it went fine–I mean, the dog was like fourteen years old or something insane and he was slower than molasses, but he made it up the aisle and they got the rings off the little pillow on his collar, and then he just lay down and slept for the rest of the service. But then once we had a couple insist that their Jack Russell would be perfect, and it…did…not…go…well. Suffice it to say that the dog did not see any reason to proceed down the aisle to his masters, and a nice game of keep-away ensued. The bride was in tears. The officiant was livid. It was a mess.

Oh dear. Thankfully, most toasts are super boring. (To us and the vendors, I mean!) Once the bride’s sister, the matron of honour, gave a speech comparing the wedding to her own two years previous, which was awful (“Kelly is getting married in a hotel ballroom…I got married in a church…we’ve always been so different…my reception was a sit-down meal so I was so confused when Kelly said she wanted a buffet”) and inexplicable. I think she had already toasted a little too much. Best man toasts that refer to the groom’s exes are sadly more common than you’d think, and usually a total cringefest. I hate them.

I have never seen a newlywed cheating on their spouse before the wedding even ended! But the bride and groom getting it on is…not totally uncommon. I mean, it’s not TYPICAL, but it happens–especially if the couple has a long cocktail hour and they’re done with their pictures. Groomsmen and bridesmaids and wedding guests hooking up in various permutations also happens quite a bit. I mean, I guess if you’ve already got the hotel room…why not? I’ve seen the Best Man and MoH hook up more than once. I’ve seen a couple kiss so intensely at the altar that Grandma was horrified. (That same couple were all over each other like barnacles at the reception. I love seeing a couple kissing and spending time with each other at the reception, but seriously, there was full-on gropage happening right in front of both sets of parents and grandparents and all the guests.)