I think it’s just a case of rigid thinking, not necessarily idiocy. pchaos seems to struggle to revise the incorrect assumptions at the top of his ‘hierarchy of thoughts about atheism’, which means that the conclusions at the bottom of the hierarchy will always be flawed. Imagine a chain of A -> B -> C -> D. D is wrong because A is wrong, but pchaos only wants to discuss D.
You may have expressed it better than I did. In fact, I like your analogy better. You nailed it better than I did.
I’d assumed it was an attempt to keep the ignorance all in one place. 
But I can see that if someone’s life was inextricably interwoven with a social organization (in this case a Church) that it could be simply bamboozling to encounter people who have no such structure (or even anything similar).
You can check patheos.com for donor habits of atheists.
which real doesn’t make a difference, because the both of you are trying to nail Jell-O.
Hardly an unbiased site - and how does that back up your assumptions? you’re going to have to do better than that. (I can’t find on the front page any such list or article)
You still need to address the questions at hand and post relevant information - or, admit it is an assumption on your part.
OK, I looked. I can’t see your point on that site. All I saw was an abysmally bad website. Care to enlighten us heathens?
I have a theory on how that can be done. Let me do my experiments, then I will get back to you… 
Oh this is funny.
For those too cautious to click that link it goes to nothing that says anything about the donation habits of atheists. It’s a site that “hosts conversations about faith.” But searching I could find an article by that group about the donation habits of atheists. Interesting reading:
Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, both minimally agnostic if not atheists, give to secular organizations.
Excuse me??!! :eek: 
Are you actually trying to suggest that part of the definition of what a charitable organization is, is that it is a religious organization?! I certainly get that impression from postings like that!
Anybody, please correct me if I get this wrong.
pchaos’s chain of reasoning is:
- Reading of website shows that religious people donate more to their religions.
- Taking out giving to churches shows religious people give mostly to their churches.
- Website concludes atheists actually donate more to charity per capita - just not to churches.
- Therefore, if atheists donate, they donate to religions, including churches.
- Profit???
Is that really his conclusion?
I think I’m officially in the confused boat, as that makes less sense than most of the already specious reasoning in the thread.
Gals and Guys,
You win…listless and apathetic is the way to go.
And THAT is exactly why your sincerity is being called into question.
Nobody said that, so I don’t think anybody won.
[snark]You’ve obviously met my friend: Tad Disingenuous[/snark]
You’ve been engaged over multiple days with multiple theists and atheists who have energetically described exactly where your reasoning is going wrong.
Makes me want to know your definitions for “listless” and “apathetic”. They obviously don’t match everybody else’s.
Those kids in the Atheist Scouts don’t look too listless to me. Nor does Bill Gates’s $36 billion secular charity. 15 pages of people on this board telling you you’re mistaken is hardly listless, you yourself have commented more than once your surprise that this thread is still going.
I’ll take our brand of listless over your brand of activism any day.
Gals and Guys,
I’m just debating, don’t take me too seriously. It seems like people are active doing good things. That’s great.
What’s your definition of “debating”?
From the cheap seats, what you’re doing looks nothing like debating, as debating carries the implication of reasoned thought and connection to reality.
(Adds “debate” to the list of words which mean something different when used by **pchaos **.)
You’re damned right they are. And keep your patronization to yourself.
You’re not debating, you’re insulting. You started this thread ostensibly to ask why atheists don’t have one big overarching church. Turns out that’s not really what you’re asking, is it? You’re asking why there aren’t any atheist organizations at all, and you’re asking that because you’re completely ignorant of the ones that are out there. And when it’s pointed out to you how much atheists actually DO, you called us listless.
Despite 2000 years worth of Christian history, the biggest fucking charity in the world was founded by an atheist. When you filter out donations to churches, the non-religious give more to actual charities than the religious do. And you come in here out of Christian kindness to help us poor widdle atheists organize? Perhaps Christians need atheists to do their organizing for them!