Attack of the Crazy Woman

[Rick]

::: Sigh::: Your answer is in right in post #293

@DiosaBellissima

I think this may be the third time you’ve said this, Guin. It’s abundantly clear, don’t worry.

But I do have to ask, I thought you said you were leaving this thread a while back, why keep coming back to repeat the same thing over and over again if you are done with this argument?

As with many things in life the easiest answer is often correct. Do you have a better explaination for her I’m leaving/I’m back in this thread other than she is an Attention Whore[sup]Tm[/sup]?
So I posted my post.
Then I read

@Guinastasia

I admit, I’m weak, I can’t stay away. However, mostly I was tired of “you’re an attention whore”, all the same crap I hear every time.

At this point the needle on my irony meter hit the peg with such force it broke the end off. The stub of the needle spun so fast it became a blur. Then the stub of the needle flew off the shaft, broke the glass face of the meter, and buried itself into the wall. Meanwhile smoke started to pour from the back of the unit.
I guess I will have to buy a new irony meter, this one is beyond repair.
If she is tired of being called an Attention Whore[sup]Tm[/sup] the easiest way to fix that is to stop acting like one. But she is incapable of doing that because she is an Attention Whore[sup]Tm[/sup]. Like Haj said leopard and spots.

Getting back to your question. It appears you can’t see the difference between some one who has been here since Moby Dick was a minnow, and a guy that was here for 2 days. Their attitudes and attachments for this place, if this is the case, then I think your clue meter needs some fresh batteries.
As I have said before (and several other in this thread) we need new posters, we should cut them a bit of slack and let them get used to this place. Instead some people just want to jump in the new guys shit.
I’ve been here since 1999. You want to jump in my shit, go for it. But if somebody attacked my honor 2 days after my first post back in 1999, I would not be writing this post tonight.

[Alice_The_Goon]

[QUOTE=Rubystreak]

Do you want to drive Guin off the board in retaliation for poor, sweet justanoldvet?
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No, I want to drive her off the board because I can’t stand her.

I couldn’t resist.

[percypercy]

I’ll say, too late to matter, that I found oldvet suspicious too. The whole ‘Attention-Whore’ meme for Guin is also getting really fucking old. She wasn’t thread-shitting, she was expressing doubt in the veracity of the OP’s story.

[Harborwolf]

[QUOTE=Rick]
Getting back to your question. It appears you can’t see the difference between some one who has been here since Moby Dick was a minnow, and a guy that was here for 2 days. Their attitudes and attachments for this place, if this is the case, then I think your clue meter needs some fresh batteries.
As I have said before (and several other in this thread) we need new posters, we should cut them a bit of slack and let them get used to this place. Instead some people just want to jump in the new guys shit.
I’ve been here since 1999. You want to jump in my shit, go for it. But if somebody attacked my honor 2 days after my first post back in 1999, I would not be writing this post tonight.
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Again with the big mean Guin scaring off the poor newbie by “jumping his shit” and “attacking his honor.” Who knew that she had such power over this majestic and vital form of social interaction.

I’m all fine with the whole minds disagreeing, but statements such as yours stray pretty damn far from reasonable. What Guin said may have been rude or slightly harsh, but they certainly don’t constitute an attack on his honor.

[Orual]

[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
I think this thread is far past the expiration date and it’s starting to stink. There’s really nothing new to discuss.
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Thanks. That was the best laugh I’ve had all day.

[Cat_Whisperer]

[QUOTE=Rick]
<snip>As I have said before (and several other in this thread) we need new posters, we should cut them a bit of slack and let them get used to this place. Instead some people just want to jump in the new guys shit.
I’ve been here since 1999. You want to jump in my shit, go for it. But if somebody attacked my honor 2 days after my first post back in 1999, I would not be writing this post tonight.
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I didn’t post a thread with a wild story in it in the Pit two days after my first post, and I suspect you didn’t, either. We do need new blood around here, but I don’t think we need to treat every new member with kid gloves. New members with a little sense won’t jump neck deep in the Pit right off the bat (I sure as hell didn’t). They’ll hang around and get a better feel for this place before wading into the free-for-all that the Pit (quite obviously) can be.

For the record, repeating what others have said, I also think Guin’s expression of disbelief was very mild for the wild world of the internet. If the Old Vet and other newbies can’t take even that much heat, this really isn’t the place for them.

[Rubystreak]

Alice the Goon, fair enough. Seriously, at least you were honest. Not very nice, in fact, quite assholish, but this is the Pit. Unless you’re kidding, in which case,

[QUOTE=Rick]
::: Sigh::: Your answer is in right in post #293
As with many things in life the easiest answer is often correct. Do you have a better explaination for her I’m leaving/I’m back in this thread other than she is an Attention Whore[sup]Tm[/sup]?
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Human nature. Some people cannot walk away from an argument. I am one of them. That doesn’t make me an attention whore… other unpleasant things maybe, but if YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT HER, you are giving her a reason to stay here and keep posting. You bait her and then, when she responds, you get to call her names. This is a very basic form of bullying. Are you a bully? Because you sure come off as one in this thread. You’re berated Guin for bullying JAOV, a grown-ass man who was in the special forces and doesn’t need you doing his scut work for him.

Then I read At this point the needle on my irony meter hit the peg with such force it broke the end off. The stub of the needle spun so fast it became a blur. Then the stub of the needle flew off the shaft, broke the glass face of the meter, and buried itself into the wall. Meanwhile smoke started to pour from the back of the unit.

Aren’t you the master of hyperbole? Well, you know, apparently some people’s Troll Meter did the same thing when JAOV posted his story. I’m not one of them, but if having a strong suspicion about another person’s motives for posting gives you license to be cruel to them, as you seem to be stating as an excuse for your behavior towards Guin, then my Hypocrite Meter is now a charred crater in the middle of my living room. You’re not a saint here, and you’re not doing public service. You’re being a hypocritical dick and you’re derailing this thread with bullying.

Getting back to your question. It appears you can’t see the difference between some one who has been here since Moby Dick was a minnow, and a guy that was here for 2 days.

Her feelings are worth less because she’s not a newb? You’re allowed to be a total dick to her with little provocation? Call her an attention whore while lavishing all sorts of your attention on her when she keeps asking you to stop?

If you think Guin is an attention whore, STOP TALKING ABOUT HER. Because otherwise, you are her Attention John and you’re complicit in her behavior. Get the thread back on track… which I think it doesn’t have anymore. But quit hijacking this thread. You and Alice the Goon and storyteller can Pit Guin if you despise her and her attention whoring so much. Go for it, though whatever you do, if you keep talking about her, you are as guilty as she is in making this all about her.

But if somebody attacked my honor 2 days after my first post back in 1999, I would not be writing this post tonight.

There goes something else on my to-do list if I ever get my hands on a time machine.

[CarnalK]

@featherlou

For the record, repeating what others have said, I also think Guin’s expression of disbelief was very mild for the wild world of the internet.

Indeed. And really this “attention whore” thing is crazy. We should be encouraging her. She’s usually the most chicken-shit "me 2"er and generally crumbles under any sort of confrontation. I knew that new job of hers would pay mental dividends.
tink

[Contrapuntal]

Well, I hope he was telling the truth, but he did refer to himself three times in his first six posts as an ex-Seal. And claimed that in his account “every word is/was true,” including that he went on a solo salmon fishing trip “less than 14 hours after major reconstructive maxio-facial surgery,” and that in the course of landing a fish the line sawed through his hand until it hung up on bone, requiring 24 stitches. Meanwhile, when approached by a DNR agent, said agent apparently did not perform first aid for his post surgical bleeding or his butchered hand.

And then told an even bigger fish tale, about a hammerhead shark and a rubber dinghy.

how to catch a 37 pound salmon

Could be true, I suppose, but surely speculation to the contrary is not out of line.

[Wile_E]

Okay, I’m going to say this one more time.

1. oldvet did not leave because of Guin. He was mildly annoyed that she was skeptical but that was it. It wasn’t about Guin. The subsequent hijacks to pile-up on Guin were unnecessary. It wasn’t about her, it was never about her.

2. oldvet left because he was PM’d and emailed by someone (Not Guin) accusing him of lying and demanding he provide proof that he was indeed an ex-seal. On my board we would consider this harassment and the sender would be warned or banned depending on the number of offenses.

3. From the wording oldvet used I highly suspect it was the recently banned poster who posted a couple times and said things similar to what oldvet said was demanded of him.

4. oldvet doesn’t have to be thin-skinned to not want to stick around a place that he had only joined a couple days ago when he gets treated as mentioned in #2 above.

5. There is no burden of proof on oldvet, he isn’t asking us to send him money to pay for his surgery for injuries from war wounds, he isn’t trying to sell us property. invest in his pyramid scheme or run for governor. It doesn’t mean a lick of spit if he is what he says he is or not. Okay, sure Seals hate it when people who aren’t Seals claim to be Seals, but it seems more to apply to people in “real world” running around claiming to be Seals and trying to get something out of it, what the hell difference does it make on these boards? How can we be sure anyone is who they say they are on the internet? How many people have said that we all exaggerate stuff on the internet?

By the way, have I mentioned that I look a lot like Michelle Pfeiffer?

If he were an attention whoring troll he’d have started at least one thread in every forum and made sure the Seal thing came up in every single post in every single thread, oh and most importantly an attention whoring troll would not have given up and gone away so easily!
6) Some of us here aren’t trying to be the kindness police but would really like to see posters, who overall have shown that they can be good posters, be given the benefit of the doubt and not get sent harassing PM’s and emails. Which I will again remind you all is the reason why he left!
I don’t think oldvet is coming back. I think this whole thread is a moot point now. Maybe the mods will finally see fit to close it because it isn’t going anywhere but in circles.

[joyfool]

I agree with those that say Guin was polite with her query. I don’t think it’s tone was out of line at all for what she’s meriting. Next, I also don’t feel she’s attention whoring in this thread, at all. She stated her concerns (again as I /we have said, nicely) and the rest of the time has been spent either explaining, defending or hoping to disentangle herself from the angle that’s being presented.

I know how many feel about her bandwagon jumping, but honestly, that isn’t this case now.

[MsWhatsit]

[QUOTE=Wile E]

6. Some of us here aren’t trying to be the kindness police but would really like to see posters, who overall have shown that they can be good posters, be given the benefit of the doubt and not get sent harassing PM’s and emails. Which I will again remind you all is the reason why he left!

[/QUOTE]

Well, since apparently the person who sent the harassing email is now banned (I have no idea who you are talking about, btw), isn’t it kind of pointless to tell people in this thread to stop sending harassing emails to new posters? Since none of the posters here are the ones who actually sent the harassing email?

Perhaps I am missing some nuance.

FTR, justanoldvet did set off my Spidey sense about potentially making up stories, or at least “enhancing” them to be a lot more interesting than they were in reality, but I was perfectly willing to just sit back and enjoy the ride. Besides which, I was going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt; sure, taken as a whole, a lot of his experiences seem somewhat improbable, but lots of people have crazy stuff happen to them. Shrug.

[Wile_E]

[QUOTE=MsWhatsit]
Well, since apparently the person who sent the harassing email is now banned (I have no idea who you are talking about, btw), isn’t it kind of pointless to tell people in this thread to stop sending harassing emails to new posters? Since none of the posters here are the ones who actually sent the harassing email?

Perhaps I am missing some nuance.
[/QUOTE]

I don’t know for sure the banned poster is the one who sent the email/PM’s, it was a suspicion. It could have been more than one person for all I know.

Anyway, there was a lot of time wasted in this thread going after the person who was not responsible. The nuance was that there was a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing in this thread.

[Oslo_Ostragoth]

[QUOTE=justanoldvet]
In complete honesty, the wife and I have decided to start socking away some $$ for a fence. It’s a damned shame, really: this was a nice neighborhood, and 99.9 % of the folks around here either get along, or simply mind their own business and don’t bother others.

Seems I’m the only one ( perhaps because we moved here fairly recently, compared to most of the older folks on the block ) , that did not know about “crazy Debbie” .

~sigh~

Oh well..
If it becomes too problematic, she will discover I am someone with whom she does NOT want to f*ck…
[/QUOTE]

please come back

[Alice_The_Goon]

Okay, look- Guinastasia did not become the subject of a would-be pile-on simply because she said one sentence. She is merely a symbol of the paranoia, distrust, and downright hatefulness towards both newbies and weirdos (AKA Dopers who are not just like the average Doper) that have seemed to gain such a presence here. It’s like we’re a dysfunctional, inbred, redneck family who runs out on the property with shotguns when an unfamiliar car drives up. It’s kind of crazy, actually, when you consider that even if old dude was embellishing some facts or even making it totally up, it didn’t hurt anyone. Why does anyone have to come in and say, “Oh, hey, by the way, I think you’re a liar” with no proof, nothing except their “gut feeling”? That’s bullshit- if you’re going to call someone out for lying, at least have something to back it up.
And Guin’s our dog, who we like to kick around every now and then, either for fun or because we’ve had a bad day.

[Darth_Nader]

Just for the record. I hope every single one of your fucking loser selves will log off tonight, and very soon soon after be horribly violated by the worst nightmare of your choice, over and over again, while each and every other one of you gets to watch, soon folding into a hellish cluster fuck only the great M. C. Escher might be able to portray.

Yeah, that would be cool, and might make up for the way y’all have behaved here.

[Alice_The_Goon]

[QUOTE=Darth Nader]
Just for the record. I hope every single one of your fucking loser selves will log off tonight, and very soon soon after be horribly violated by the worst nightmare of your choice, over and over again, while each and every other one of you gets to watch, soon folding into a hellish cluster fuck only the great M. C. Escher might be able to portray.

Yeah, that would be cool, and might make up for the way y’all have behaved here.
[/QUOTE]

Which losers are you talking to here, us or them? Or all of us?

[Darth_Nader]

I dunno. I’m pretty sick of dealing with all of humanity right now.

You’re okay, I guess.

[Inner_Stickler]

Couple of things to say, here. First of all, faithfool, if your post shows up blank then you’ve most likely messed up some of your quote tags. For some reason long posts with messed up quote tags will show up blank. If you hit reply with quote you can see the post.

[QUOTE=faithfool]

[QUOTE=Nzinga, Seated]
God dammit!!! The point is, so what? So the hell what?? Big deal.
[/QUOTE]

In my humble opinion, with a fake story similar to this, it’s incredibly disrespectful to those who have served (in any capacity).

I agree that he would’ve brought something new and entertaining to the board. I liked him on the small basis I’d read his posts; he reminded me of my grandfather (on the small basis that I knew him).

Ok, hero? You win. You proved he is a Seal imposter. Or not. Or whatever. Who cares?

Well, not to parrot the cliche too loudly, but many do because it’s the specific purpose of the whole boards and to have anyone abuse that (or their trust) is anathema to the SDMb in general.

I also wish that the word troll wasn’t trotted out so much or quickly. However, I didn’t know we’d ever had a poster banned for unpopular opinions. Could you point me to where that’s happened? Because if so, I’d like to lodge a complaint with the Powers That Be for doing something so incredibly wrong. Lastly, I understand that some couldn’t care less about the more emotional reasons they are skeptical, however I recognize that it’s important to them.
Finally, Siege I would like to know if you find anything out, one way or another. And although I’m desperately disappointed over the email, I’m glad that he pointed out that it wasn’t anyone’s concerns in this thread that did it.
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Secondly, to, hajario, Rick and everyone else whining about Guin, stop fucking paying attention to her so called attention-whoring and if she really is attention-whoring then she’ll fucking stop! There’s no point in attention-whoring if it doesn’t garner you any fucking attention. Jesus Christ, people.

Thirdly, if justanoldvet can’t handle the Pit without ringing the bell, I doubt he was ever a navy seal.

[joyfool]

[QUOTE=Darth Nader]
I dunno. I’m pretty sick of dealing with all of humanity right now.

You’re okay, I guess.
[/QUOTE]

Darth, I somehow lost your thread about your mom. So I wanted to take this opportunity to say how sorry I am and that you and her loved ones are in my thoughts and prayers.