Attention Children of Divorce: Holiday Related Question.

Although my parent’s are not yet divorced, it was about this time last year that they announced their intent. It was the worst Christmas and Thanksgiving that I’ve ever had.

So my questions are, How did you deal with it when your parents first got divorced, and how long until it feels ok again?

My personal experience last year and seems to feel the same this year is that I look back at all of the years we spent ‘together as a family’ and mourn their loss. This feeling makes me want to sit quietly in a room by myself all day on both of the upcoming holidays.

Yeesh, I am so not going to cheer you up with my answer. But my parents’ divorce coincided with my mom, who had custody, having an extraordinary rift with her entire family and disavowing tradition in any form. My dad promptly moved across the country, and his family was all in another state. The divorce happened when I was 4. To be honest, I’ve never really enjoyed holidays. If it’s of some consolation, I eventually got to a point where I am OK with not enjoying holidays. For a while I was horribly depressed on all of them, even the minor holidays, like 4th of July and Halloween.

I’d encourage you to get any counseling you think you might need/ benefit from, because I know how hard this can be. In my case it didn’t get *much * better, but it did get better. Your feelings are normal, but you don’t want to get overwhelmed by them. It might be a good idea to plan a few fun but not too holiday specific things to do for the next couple of months, like movie nights, plays or concerts, ski trips, whatever matches your interests. Also, if you are religious, observe the religious meaning the holidays have for you.

Not exactly to do with divorce, however…

One of the most traumatic moments of my life occurred on Thanksgiving Day 2000 when I was 17 years old. The consequences of that moment went on to tear my family apart, and nothing has ever been the same since. It was so bad, that I am almost crying just typing out these words. So I can relate to not feeling merry on the holidays. What to do when people cheerily say, ‘‘So how was your Thanksgiving?’’

How to respond?

‘‘It was an absolute nightmare during which I ached for days and nearly drowned in my own grief. But overall, considering I wasn’t hospitalized or seriously suicidal or anything, I suppose it went better than expected. Thanks for asking.’’ Ha ha, no. We keep these things to ourselves. We post them on anonymous message boards and pretend we’re normal, because we wouldn’t want to appear… ya know… ungrateful.

But I hope it can be some small comfort to you that I am a person who thinks you have no moral obligation for things ever to feel okay, because maybe they won’t ever really be the same.

I can’t offer much support regarding divorce. My mother divorced 4 times and I don’t remember any of them being particularly traumatic. My mother’s divorces were not painful at all… it was her marriages that were painful. I didn’t realize how horribly traumatic divorce can be until I met my husband and witnessed the nightmare his parents put him and his sister through.

My point is, some of us have to work extra hard around the holidays to stay afloat, and I used to believe that I was terribly unique in this regard, but I’m coming to realize that everybody secretly hates the holidays. It’s sort of like getting married… every family issue you ever had just sort of explodes in your face and is magnified times one billion.

So holidays are generally a tug-of-war between my husband and I… him trying to drag me out of the house when I really quite frankly don’t feel like being grateful or doing much other than sitting around the house moping. He always wins, and I usually end up secretly enjoying myself.

I have fought it with every ounce of strength in my being, but I appear to be stuck in this habit, every November, of just completely falling apart.

However, I WILL say that this year’s grieving period, though sudden, was short (3 days, and it tricked me!) and actually kind of healing in a way, and I bounced back faster than I ever have, with minimal losses and rather substantial gains. I’m still nears tears when I allow myself to deeply think about it, but it doesn’t demand all of my effort and energy 24/7. I am amazed to say it, but for the first time since That Day, I am actually looking forward to the holiday-- four day weekend baby!!! It doesn’t feel tied to the past, it’s just here in the present, what it is. Thanksgiving 2007, with my husband, his wacky hilariously dysfunctional family and all the amusing trappings thereof. All that matters is what I’m doing that day, not what I did 7 years ago. I was just a kid then. It’s all dust in the wind.

To try to answer your question a bit more directly, my husband’s parents went through a very painful divorce when he was 19 and his little sister 12, and though he’s perfectly capable of enjoying the holidays with the new arrangements, 5 years later his parents’ drama still manages to partly ruin things. This is probably why this time of year has been consistently been hard – it’s bad enough dealing with your own crazy family, but then to inherit another one? Yeesh.

I don’t know how insane your parents are being about the divorce, but I’ll bet the answer to ‘‘how long til things feel okay again?’’ is roughly equivalent to the answer to the question, ‘‘How badly are your parents handling it, and are they likely to knock it off anytime soon?’’

My parents divorced when I was 19. (which sounds like an adult but seems so young to me now) The very first Christmas was horrible as my dad came over anyway and it was so awkward. BUt it got better. Dad’s not really that into Christmas so he’s totally cool if we see him before or after so my brother and I usually go spend it with my mom. It was a not horribly amicable split but it wasn’t really anyone’s fault; my parents had just grown apart and become different people. I still don’t totally accept their new spouses but I can see that my parents are happy. (not that they were unhappy before, they just changed)

My parents got divorced when I was 14. I am 34 now and it never recovered and never will. I moved 1700 miles away permanently and have my own family to worry about. We went to see my mother and stepfather last Christmas in Texas but it was in a new town and a new house that I couldn’t identify with in the least. Travel around that time is too stressful especially with two young daughters that need to have special Christmas attention of their own. I have extra beds if family wants to visit for the holidays. They probably won’t. The end.

My parents were divorced when I was 15. Holidays sucked balls for a few years until I got used to the Christmas Eve at one house, Christmas at the other house routine. It helped when my Mom settled into a house and made it all cozy like. To sort of echo what Shagnasty just said, I think the most important part is simply feeling like you’re *home *for the holidays. The thing is, it may not ever feel like home when one of your parents is absent from the festivities.

It does get better, though. I thoroughly enjoy the holidays now, 8 years later. My mom has recently moved in with another man, whose house I’m not yet used to, so that’ll take away from Thanksgiving this year, but I’ll still enjoy it.

I think another part of what helped me get over it was that I was making the transition into a young adult in those years. I was able to treat the pre-divorce holidays as just another staple of my childhood that won’t return, like Ninja Turtles or something.

I appreciate all of the replies so far. Unfortunately, I cannot go see a therapist as **Harriet the Spry ** suggested. I’m in a research study for a new anti-depressant and it’s not allowed. Also, for now, we all live in the same house still. I have a boyfriend this year and I think I’m going to be expected to attend dinners at his mothers’ house. Like I said in the OP, though, I don’t want to celebrate anywhere. Just thinking about it all has had me crying for most of the evening. Ugh.

My parents divorced when I was in 7th grade and all holiday suck total ass now because of it. Oh, we *had * a schedule. Christmas Eve with dad, Christmas day with mom, the rest were split as they felt like it. Not that bad as kids even though it meant we had to go to midnight mass with dad and then regular Christmas mass with mom like 7 hours later.

Now that I’m seriously involved with someone else, Christmas especially means spending roughly 2 hours with each of our respective extended family units until it’s time to hop in the car again and drive somewhere else where you’re expected to be as fresh and as hungry as you were at the start of it all and you still leave someone out. The last two or three years we haven’t even given each other gifts as we don’t get time to ourselves until well after the idea has lost it’s whimsical sheen and since it means we can better afford gifts for the random “steps”. Even better is that having two of my brothers in the USMC and one who just moved to San Fransicso means that I represent the sum and total of the “kids” and there can be no deviations.

Slowly I’ve been trying to warm her to the idea that we need to spend Christmas in say Vegas or something, but we’re both very close to our goofed up families so we don’t. Christmas is more work for me than anything else and I’ll be damned glad when it’s over and I can just get hammered on New Years like everyone else.

Yeah, I was thinking that just going away would eliminate the problem, or some of it. Just not sure that I could convince my SO to do such a thing.

Oh, I could pull it off, but the only way she’d bite is if I maxed out the plastic and we were doing champagne laden sleigh rides in Aspen. :smiley:

Hi, Always Bring Pie. I’m sorry you’re going through this. I went through something similar almost exactly 5 years ago. I was 23 and about to move to Colorado (had been planning the move for a year). That Thanksgving was the worst I’d ever experienced in my family (and that’s saying a lot; my parents should have split up years before they did). My dad was pretty much off his rocker and my he and my mom were screaming and fighting the entire few days I was home. Between Thanksgiving and Christmas that year, my parents officially split up, and I spent those weeks in the worst emotional turmoil of my life thus far. I didn’t know how to deal with the split, or how my dad was faring (he spent those weeks living in the office he rented), or what it would mean for Christmas. Of course, Christmas came and I got sick and I was moving a week later, so it was by far the worst Christmas of my life, even without the horrible parental issues. I think my dad came over on Christmas day but it was mostly a lot of screaming, so I’ve blocked it out.

Since then, holidays have gotten better, partly because I’ve gotten some distance from the situation (I live in Denver, parents in California). My fiance and I trade off holidays with his family (meaning every year we spend Thanksgiving with one family and Christmas with the other), and when we have Christmas in California, sometimes we see my dad. He doesn’t come to my mom’s house anymore, but instead we’ll meet him at a Starbucks or something. Two years ago it was pretty traumatic for reasons I won’t go into. I’m hoping this year it isn’t nearly so emotionally difficult. The actual Christmas celebration at my mom’s house is so much better than it was when I was a kid because my dad isn’t there to be in a horrible mood or scream at people anymore.

I would have thought that having my parents split up when I wasn’t a kid wouldn’t have been as big a deal, but I think it’s worse than it might have been. There was a lot of trauma and animosity involved in the split, and it took my parents four years to actually finalize the divorce (my dad fought it for years). My relationship with my mom is better than it used to be, and I can choose not to have much of one with my dad. With our wedding (and my sister’s wedding) coming up, I’m not sure how to navigate the dad weirdness, other than just to hope he behaves himself around his family (my grandma and aunts/uncles from his side will be at both weddings). The holidays we spend with my family are, as I mentioned before, far better than they were when I was younger because my dad isn’t there anymore to ruin things.

I don’t know what sort of advice to give someone who still has a good relationship with both parents, other than to do your best and try to communicate with both parents that you want to continue having a good relationship with each of them - and that it isn’t fair to you for them to put you in the middle (ie, guilt-tripping you for spending time with the other parent during a holiday). Add in an SO’s family (which might also be a split one) and you have even more craziness to navigate. All I can say is do your best. Eventually, you might want to be doing holidays at your own house with your partner/kids and you won’t have to worry so much about traveling and splitting time between your parents.

The idea of planning some fun, non-holiday-related activities is a good one. Do some things to keep your mind off holiday weirdness. Or maybe think of some new things to do with your SO that your family doesn’t do, so you can associate those things with the holidays rather than worrying so much about what might happen with your family. Good luck.

My parents divorced last year. I’m not sure how the siblings coped exactly, I was lucky enough to be out of the country for a year.

I think it’s easier when you already have a schedule set up previously…For me, Christmas Eve was my Dad’s side of the family, Christmas morning was with my immediate family and Christmas afternoon/evening was with my mom’s side of the family. I think we plan on continuing this pattern only Christmas morning will be with my Dad, at home…probably no manger or presents or tree like there used to be. But since I associate those with bad memories, it’s not much of a loss for me.

It definitely also depends on your character, past experiences, and how close you are to your family members. I’ll be honest, I don’t like my mom. I wouldn’t care if I saw her side of the family or not during the season. I don’t have many good memories of her or her side of the family so I couldn’t care less. On the other hand, I’m really close to my Dad’s side, so it would definitely matter more to me if something prevented me from seeing them.

Thanksgiving is going to suck though. I want to spend it with my Dad even though we’ve always celebrated it with my mom’s side of the family prior to the divorce. This will probably create a lot of unhappiness or some upset once I tell my mom’s side of the family, but goddamn…I put up with my miserable mother and her family for so many holiday seasons, I want to treat myself to a season where I’m not made to feel like some type of burden. I really can’t answer your question much to begin with, since there was never really an “ok” season in the past…but I’m going to see if one can be found this season.

Well, make sure the folks doing the study are monitoring you so things don’t get too bad. If you need more help than their medicine is giving (and heck, you could be in the placebo group, right?) they can’t hold you back from getting treatment you need. That you even feel that you can’t get counseling if you think it would help you makes me feel bad about their research ethics. Sometimes antidepressants can have paradoxical effects and make depression worse. If they are doing research on antidepressants, they should be prepared to deal with people’s depression, and a lot of people struggle over the holidays. If you are spending hours on end crying, you should give them a heads up.

This will be my second missed Christmas in a row, and honestly, it’s not really a big deal to me.

My parents have been divorce since I was, I think six, or something like that. So not having both parents together seems like it’s been that way forever, so it’s not really a big deal. Christmas evening was spent with my mom and grandparents, and the next day was with my dad.

You just get used to it.

Yow–you have my sympathies, Pie. My folks got divorced when I was thirteen, and it was pretty hard. I don’t know how it’d be had I been adult when it happened.

Am I reading you right–you’re living in the same house with them? Because that might complicate my suggestion.

Here’s what’s worked for me and my siblings and parents. We siblings get together and we make a plan. Then we tell the parents what’ll go down. See, we siblings aren’t going to feel like we’re slighted if we see one parent more than the other, we’re not going to get into a power game about it. We set up a plan that’s equitable, so we get to see both parents. And we do it at different times.

At least, that’s how it worked for a long time. Now, twenty years later, my parents have both found new long-term partners and the bitterness is pretty much gone, and we have some celebrations together. But during the years when we kids had grown up and the parents were still bitter, setting firm, separate times for visits is what worked best.

Daniel

My parents divorced before I was born so it’s natural to me to have four parents and split holidays.

It would feel odd to me to just have the one.

I’m so glad you opened this thread as this is about the time of year I start reconciling myself to the fact that for the next month or so I’m going to have to put on this fake, cheerful persona to cope with the fact that my whole family is absolutely insane.

My parents have been divorced for 13 years and all I can say is that it is so much better now than when it first happened. Dad used to come over and spend Christmas Eve on Mom’s couch so he could be there when I woke up on Christmas morning. So sweet but so hard.

So I completely sympathize. I always tell myself that if I can get through this stupid season, the rest of the year will be cake. Kind of like an emotional endurance trial or something.

I’m so glad you opened this thread as this is about the time of year I start reconciling myself to the fact that for the next month or so I’m going to have to put on this fake, cheerful persona to cope with the fact that my whole family is absolutely insane.

My parents have been divorced for 13 years and all I can say is that it is so much better now than when it first happened. Dad used to come over and spend Christmas Eve on Mom’s couch so he could be there when I woke up on Christmas morning. So sweet but so hard.

So I completely sympathize. I always tell myself that if I can get through this stupid season, the rest of the year will be cake. Kind of like an emotional endurance trial or something.

You may not have intended it, but that little bit up there that I quoted made me laugh, thanks. Sometimes I think that my family is insane, too.

I’ve been thinking about it a bit this weekend and I think that I may start my own holiday tradition and have a Thanksgiving dinner at my shop. I know it doesn’t seem that much different because all of the same people will be there, but at least it will be a different venue not the one that we’ve all shared together my whole life.

Thanks for your concern. No, this is a two part study. I am definitely on the actual drug right now. At a certain point (in about two weeks to a month) I may be switched to the placebo or stay on the same drug. There’s so much to this that belongs in a mental illness/sad state of healthcare thread, but just briefly I’ll say that the reason that I got into the study in the first place is so that I didn’t have to pay for my own drugs because I’m self-employed and they are damned expensive. It turns out as I had suspected and hoped I could ignore that I need more than just an anti-depressant. I need either lithium or therapy, or possibly both. Right now I can’t have either. So I’m questioning what the real costs are for me (emotional vs. financial) to stay in this study. Today, right now, I’m ok. But it could change any minute and this emotional yo-yo mixed with crappy parent stuff is wearing me down.