Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY!

“Thanos” means “death”. The a- prefix means “without”. It seems strange to me that the Greeks would drop something so significant in forming a nickname, but shrug, people do strange things.

Just got back from seeing it. Seems like it wrapped up a lot of things well. They managed a lot of references, and even bringing back characters from all the movies, which was nice.

Way too much Hawkeye.

Chris Evans was really phoning it in. RDJ puts so much into his performance. He brings the character to life, like it’s a real person. Pretty impressive for a comic book movie. I started crying as soon as we saw his daughter, because it meant he was going to die. Didn’t expect Nat’s death. I kept waiting for there to be some kind of public recognition for her, but it never came. I guess she was a secret spy, and doesn’t even have any family, so her death just stays off the radar. I can rationalise it, but it does reinforce the idea that she was a second-class citizen.

I liked all the female characters turning up behind Captain Marvel, even though it was forced. It was like they were saying “we just killed off Nat, but we do still have some other female characters for you to get behind”. Also it was a nice moment of solidarity. Not just women kicking ass, but women looking out for each other. That was a really strong theme in the Captain Marvel movie as well.

Wasn’t sure what to make of Nebula. It was like she was in a different movie. Everyone else is in this action blockbuster and she is in some fucked up horror movie, full of twisted relationships and constant torture and despair.

Banner looked very cartoony. Not sure why they had him like for the whole movie. Really enjoyed the Ancient One knocking him out of his Hulk self, so that he had to actually use his words.

I’m very sad to lose RDJ from future movies. Not sure that anyone else can make a character half as interesting.

Yeah, well, his first plan didn’t work out the way he expected either.

I agree. It was highlighted by the way they gave us a major funeral scene for Tony Stark and only an off-handed mention for the other main character who died. This made no sense within the story because it had been made clear that Natasha Romanov had been much more actively involved with the other characters in the last five years than Stark had.

My personal opinion is that this is a sign that Natasha Romanov isn’t really dead in the minds of the writers. She’s only dead in the way that Phil Coulson, Loki, Gamora, Bucky Barnes, Steve Rogers, Nick Fury, Spiderman, Black Panther, Dr Strange, Groot, Nick Fury again, Bucky Barnes again, are dead - ie dead until they bring them back to life.

Given that a Black Widow film is supposed to be in the works, that’s a reasonable assumption. RDJ got his funeral scene because he ain’t coming back. Period.

I think the same can be said of why Chris Evans got that weird time loop ending.

I’ve already seen speculations that when Steve Rogers voluntarily returned the Soul Stone that meant Natasha Romanov came back to life.

I would pay good money to see that 10 minute interaction with RedSkull.

One little thing that bothered me with the film - why didn’t two highly experienced SHIELD agents recognize Johann Schmidt? I mean, it’s not as if he lacked distinctive features. He even spoke to them in German!

I dunno. It’s an Infinity Stone, not a library book or a coat check. “Going to hold the soul as collateral but bring it back and we’re cool” seems as though it blunts the whole sacrifice angle.

Even with an analogy to something as mundane as a library book or a coat check, it maybe still fits; ever use a self-service locker where you (a) put in a coin to pop out the key, thereby locking its door; and then you (b) later use the pop-out key to unlock the door, securing that key right back in place for the next guy who’d sure like to put in a coin and walk off with the key for as long as he pleases?

Getting that key means paying the price — but that doesn’t need to mean there’s a refund for putting the key back, is my point.

I believe the BW movie is going to be a prequel, though I’ve heard conflicting reports as to when it will be set. (2006, and right after Civil War)

ETA: Not that this proves she will stay dead. Death in comics is more like a bad flu than real life death.

It might be that Steve Rogers is the first person in the Universe to ever voluntarily give up the Soul Stone, so there’s no precedent for what’s supposed to happen.

Alessan, to be fair, he doesn’t have much in the way of distinctive facial features.

I just saw the movie this weekend and just finished reading the this thread. I liked the movie a lot. Some specific thoughts:

  1. With the way the conversation between The Hulk and The Ancient One was heading I thought for sure she was going to insist to head into the future to accompany the stone to ensure its safe return.

  2. As far as why you have to snap your fingers to activate The Infinity Gauntlet my theory is that it is a safety mechanism to alert the gems you consciously want to use them in concert. So you can avoid inadvertently activating them together with a stray idea or thought.

He just looks different somehow than he does in the files from World War II.

Oh, and something I’ve been thinking about:

As Rocket said, “You’re only a genius on Earth”. Most of what he comes up with is old hat to Rocket, or to the Asgardians. Mjollnir is explicitly a mystery to him, and the unadorned Gauntlet is the same level of tech.

Besides which, even by Earth standards, he isn’t all that great. What fundamental technologies has he invented? The repulsor beam and the arc reactor were both created by his father. Nanotech he probably got from the Wakandans (they had it before he did, and he didn’t get it until after Wakanda started opening up to the world). His AI skills aren’t bad, but the only true AIs he ever made (Ultron and Vision) owed as much to the Mind Stone as to him. The time machine was his biggest accomplishment, but that was mostly Pym’s work, which he’s unable to replicate. He’s very good at applying fundamental breakthroughs made by others, but I can’t think of any fundamental breakthroughs he himself has made.

Yeah, I think of Tony Stark as mostly being an engineer. Really smart, excellent understanding of fundamental principles, but better at applying them rather than thinking of something new. Even in the case of figuring out “time travel” in the Realm of the Really, Really Small, he was just playing with what others had conceived trying to make it work out.

Right, he’s some *other *creepy red skinless German.

I have to say, having just come from seeing the movie, I’m not so sure Thanos was wrong in killing off half the Avengers. Definitely felt like less bouncing around various storylines.

Heehee…Fat Thor. So now Thor was “meant to be” fat drunk and stupid and not the King of Asgard?

I don’t know who’s whooshing who at this point but I was making a joke about how a different actor is playing the character.

Heck, Jesus was only dead for a long weekend and he got a whole religion out of it.