Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY!

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs didn’t invent computers. They just iterated on existing technology in new and profound ways. Stephen Hawking didn’t invent ANYTHING AFAIK.

Stark’s “power” is that he is always the “smartest” person in the room, regardless of if he is on Earth or on some planet with technology millennia ahead of ours where they teach quantum physics in grade school as “shit primitive societies used to believe”. His other power is that he can apply any technology to solve any problem within the timeframe of the plot. Need to build a prototype Iron Man suit out of junk? Done. Connect some dots (both figuratively and literally) and invent time travel. No problem.
Another thing that kind of bothered me. How come no conventional Earth military showed up once Thanos’ ship arrived in Upstate New York? Why just superheroes and Wakandans? General “Thunderbolt” Ross doesn’t have some sort of Rapid Deployment Force on standby for taking out the Hulk or rogue Avengers or out of control robot armies or yet another alien invasion?
And speaking of Thanos’ big ship. No one is concerned about a city-sized ship crashing into the planet and destroying everything like…I don’t know…what Ultron tried to do with the city of Novi Grad, Sokovia? Sure, it wasn’t that high so it’s not going to reach orbital velocities before it hits. I still wouldn’t want to be fighting under it when it lands.

Stark was not able to fix the ship he and Nebula were on at the beginning of the movie (they got a few kiloparsecs out of it, but not enough), but later in the movie, it is fixed, presumably by Rocket.

Well, Stark couldn’t fix it with the tools he had, but once they were rescued by Danvers (and I’m unclear how she found them, or indeed how she navigates interstellar space at all, but whatever) and returned to Earth, Stark could have patched what needed patching.

I’m sure they are, but less concerned than they’d be about a city sized spacecraft blowing shit up with its cannons. Goes back to this not being a clean happy victory for the Avengers. People died, stuff got ruined, people are going to have to readjust to either losing five years of time or to having 50% of the world pop back in. I liked that aspect of the story – it would have been super easy to just rewind the tape, make Thanos lose in Infinity War and everyone has a party. This was a braver way to present it; victory at a deep cost.

If it were random, people could bitch about being chosen, if they were alive to do so (not sure why someone would complain about not being chosen). Thanos wanted to eliminate half of the universe’s existing population (humans only, presumably) because they were recklessly breeding and could not sustain such growth. However, not everyone was recklessly breeding. “Random” means that a lifetime single person who has never had a child could die and a family of 12 could live. That’s not “fair” as Thanos stated on Titan in “Infinity War.” That’s patently unfair, given Thanos’ motivation. Killing someone who isn’t contributing to over-population and letting those who are contributing heavily, live, is unfair and worthy of a bitch. Since the Gauntlet apparently responds to the weilder’s whim (precisely, it seems), he could have commanded it to kill those with, say, three or more children, and let those with less than three children live. It was dumb of Thanos to make it random, because that would have caused a lot of people who made bad decisions (according to him) live, and a lot of people who made wise decisions die. If “randomness” wasn’t Thanos’ choice, just a property of the glove, then why was Stark so precisely able to use the glove at the end of “Endgame” to only eliminate Thanos and his army?

I don’t think we disagree. Thanos wanted it to be random and making it random was just one more reason why his plan was a stupid one. My original point was that lumping a crashing airplane together, etc isn’t really random as Thanos planned it.

No, not just humans (and not just the dominant intelligent species on other planets). He eliminated half the life on every planet, including blades of grass, bacteria, roaches, giant pandas, etc. It doesn’t make sense to me, though.

Finally saw it on a very rainy Memorial Day – I’m probably near the last to see it (amoung folks who want/ed to). Liked it
And even though “no psot credit scene”, I did have a post credit Spiderman: Far from Home trailer.

Surprised it was not dedicated to Stan Lee (or was that done in an earlier Marvel film?)

Brian

By the way…for anyone who complains that Danvers is OP…there’s a certain storyline in the comics that could fix that. Though I doubt Brie will do the role that long.

Captain Marvel was dedicated to Stan Lee, and also had the opening logo-montage made up entirely of his cameos.

And yeah, Thanos’ plan was not rational. I think we can all agree that dude be whack.

msmith537:

Didn’t look that way to me in Infinity War. Quill pretty much pwned him and came up with an excellent, not-Stark’s plan for disarming Thanos. Granted, it was Quill who blew it as well (by going nuts over Gamora), but that wasn’t because his plan wasn’t better than Tony’s.

That’s a little unfair, the plan was pretty obvious if you knew what Mantis could do.

Stark has always been a great engineer but a lousy tactician. Hence this exchange:

Steve: We need a plan of attack.
Tony: I have a plan: attack.

And that’s why Cap led the Avengers. He’s the man with the plan.

To be fair, sometimes he’s in a room with Doctor Strange.

Why the hell should I take orders from you? (youtube link)

Strange came up with the plan, not Quill. Or at least, he looked to the future and saw what “worked.”

Strangely enough, Quill has the exact same quality. He may be an idiot, but he’s the idiot who knows what to do in a tight situation.

What can I say? There are different types of intelligence.

Indeed there are.

Look at the differences there. Both Stark and Quill have deep faith in their ability to improvise in a situation. Stark because of his intelligence and Quill because of his experience growing up with Yondu and the Ravagers.

Cap, on the other hand, grew up with more discipline and a military background. He’s aware of how proper planning and tactics can lead to a better outcome overall. He’s constantly trying to find ways to make things work properly for the best outcome.

You can even see that in the final battle scene in the first Avengers. Stark actually encourage Cap to make the call and set up the way in which the Avengers can best use their abilities to control the battle.

Taking that even further - and into questionable ground - one could say that Stark’s subsequent character development through his PTSD and need for control in all subsequent movies show him attempting to find ways to plan and prepare in ways he sees Cap doing. But his own personality quirks lead him to overplan and attempt absolute control instead of dealing with the situation as it is found.

Stark is, in the end, a fascist by personality. He’s determined the approach he believes is best and is willing to take steps to impose that approach on everyone around him whether they agree with him or not.

Loved that scene, but all it really did was show that Cap could fight, not that his tactical/strategic plans were worth a damn.

When they had gotten their hands on Thanos and had Mantis put him to sleep and were trying to pull off the gauntlet, Starlord claimed “For the record, this was my plan.” And none of the other egomaniacs present disagreed with him.