This is the sort of case which tries the Presumption of Innocence, but it’s important to not forget it.
You could wait that long? Fucker would be dead in a few minutes if I caught him. Then I’d have a beer.
I am not against the death penalty. I am quite ambivalent about it actually. I do think it is the easy way out for the criminal though. As emotionally satisfying as it may be to take the eye-for-an-eye position, especially when the crime is particularly heinous, I believe that forcible confinement for a very long, long time such that the criminal must live and deal with their crimes every single day and knowing that it cost them their freedom is, in the long term, a far more suitable punishment.
That’s where I think this unholy bastard needs to go. Permanently.
Same here.
A close friend fosters children – mentally and physically handicapped kids, and victims of abuse. One boy came to her as a two-year-old who’d been pimped out by his mother – repeatedly.
There is evil in this world, yes, and scum who don’t scruple to profit from it.
This piece of human waste might not have been an actual pedophile, though lots of sociopathic pedophiles look for women with children, initiating a relationship with the woman while actually being interested in the children.
I have no desire to look for cites and I am no kind of expert, but my understanding is that there are two types of child sexual abusers, pedophiles and situational abusers. Far be it from me to “defend” pedophiles because I was the victim of one, and I think those who act on their desires should be, well, see BobLibDem, or bouv’s posts above, but in general, pedophiles love children. They desire them sexually, but they can honestly love them too. Most pedophiles, from what I gather, probably never act on their desires because they’re not sociopaths.
The ones who do act on their desires think, in their (deranged) minds, that they’re doing the child a favor by “teaching” them about sex, as well as satisfying their own sexual desires. Strange to say (espcially for me), but most of those types of pedophiles DON’T want to hurt the children, because then they’d lose access. Yes, they’re deranged. Yes, they’re sick. Yes, they ARE hurting the children, if not physically, then emotionally and mentally.
As with the adult sexual population, there are extremes, such as child rapists/killers. Pedophiles come in as many stripes as adult heterosexuals or homosexuals.
Situational abusers molest or rape children just because they’re around and handy. They’re not so much sexually attracted to children as sexually selfish, wanting gratification without regard to the age of the child. They get called pedophiles too, but I don’t know, I don’t think they’re true pedophiles.
Not that it matters in the end. ANYONE who molests a child is a sick fuck who needs to be locked up for the rest of their lives, no matter the motivation.
I couldn’t say, of course, whether this guy was with the woman because of the boy, or was super horny and just thought that might be an interesting experiment. Whatever, he won’t live long in prison. Good.
And by the way, I’m against the death penalty simply because innocent people have been executed. One innocent person is one way too many. If there were a sure-fire way to determine the guilt of EVERYONE on Death Row, I’d be all for frying the fuckers who are guilty.
I support the dealth penalty AND the decision to purge Stage Manager from this forum. Do I win the Generalísimo Francisco Franco Humanitarianism Award?
What reasons then do you oppose the death penalty? Is it because the system may get it wrong? If so, how does torture somehow not fai on this rationae either?
I see nothing wrong with what scr4 had to say. We are all well sickened and by this act and by the individual who perpetrated it. Folks want to post their revenge fantasies, go right ahead. But I fail to see how that makes scr4’s or UncleBeer’s points inappropriate. This thread is not sacrosanct.
I realize this has come up before, but I wonder sometimes about these threads. I don’t doubt for a moment the emotional tug these stories have, but what is supposed to happen. A place to vent and commiserate? Fine. Let’s all vent yet one more time about how there is a new jackass sicko on the planet. Then let’s compete to see who can concieve of the most horrific way to punish the guy.
Maybe I am being too cynical and I apologize for that. I am not intending to belittle anyone’s true emotions about this at all.
You presume a lot. There are many reasons why someone may oppose the death penalty, of which that is only one.
I am so goddam sick of some Dopers interrupting threads on serious topics with their self-righteous imperative to point out what they feel is Moral Dissonance. Give me a fucking break. As I said in my original objection, you feel that strongly about it? Start a Pit thread of your own about it. Meanwhile, fuck off.
It isn’t inappropriate – in its own thread. Here, it is simply irrelevant, self-important chest beating from someone barging into a thread he had no other intention of contributing to except to pick a fight. Like lisacurl said, if it’s that important, pit it in its own thread.
OK, if it really was a joke, then I guess I misunderstood. My apologies.
Ok, let’s be honest here, politics aside,The only proper cure for this kind of behavior is 187 grains of lead.
I’m usually against the death penalty, but in a case where the person confessed to a crime like this, I think I could get around my objections to see this person die.
If we did go the life without parole route, I would skip the chemical castration part if he was to be kept in solitary confinement indefinitely. I think having your sex urges removed would make life in prison a little bit easier. This guy should suffer more.
The attempts at humor show, why the Hell sometimes it shouldn’t be attempted. Please drop the fucking debate, and start another thread for the 1,000,000,000 th time on capital punishment. This is about severe abuse and the bastards that do it.
They had an incident in Madison about a month ago where the boyfriend poured Compound W down the baby’s throat, and tried to pass off the lamest story for a couple days. “I was applying it , when I acidently spilled it down the babies throat.” You were holding the baby, the wart remover and the applicator, and the whole bottle ended up poured down the babies throat. :dubious:
We reported a young woman and man for domestic abuse many times. Their resisdence had a Green Bay Packer newspaper on the outside door for over 6 monthes covering the hole punched or kicked through it. Nobody ever went to jail. They brought home their baby and one month later, the baby is almost dead. It had multiple broken ribs and other injuries. The man goes to jail for doing this. The woman reports that she watched him do this to the baby for weeks, but she never reported or stopped him. I so wanted the lady to get some jail time for this also.
The police fucked up on a very personal case, that makes me burn. My baby sitter for most of grade school was killed she was godmother to one of my brothers, and I was friends for over 30 years. She lived with a man for say a year. She had an argument over his always being drunk, and that was her death. The fucking deranged bastard kicked her to death. He called the police a day or two after the murder. He was taken to the hospital, because he apparently got a booboo kicking her to death. They questioned and took statements while he was drugged. The testimony was ruled inadmisable and the fucker got off without any penelty. He later overdosed on drugs a couple years later, as suicide. I am so appaled that he had no punishment. His killing himself is not punishment for the crime.
I think your explanation is perfect for how I see it. Many times I can’t get people to understand the difference. I think that the situation abusers are the same people that get charged with beastiality. There might be a few that truely desire an animal, but most just want sex no matter what form it takes. I wouldn’t trust a person that got hauled in for beastiality around anybody alone. You can’t give these people the benefit of doubt. You have to be actively defensive with someone that has proven a deviant. Your family may pay the price if you don’t. Being ever vigilant is better than once a victim.
Serious topics. In the Pit. Like anyone expects a serious discussion of anything in the Pit. Laugh me a fucking river, crybaby.
My sister in-law’s nephew was molested by a 6 year old kid at the end of June and it was reported. The kid was not taken from the family nor was anything done about it by social services. A week later another child was molested by the same kid. I don’t think as of yet the kid has been taken by social services or other agency. The kid is still free to molest any other child that he comes in contact with, and no steps have been taken to correct the behavor. I don’t agree with not releasing a minors name, when the minor is doing stuff like this. I would like to see the parents able to know about a kid like this. I believe other kid’s safety should overide the molesting kids right to be anonamous.
I actually don’t see anything inconsistent about this. There’s a difference between killing someone and having the state do it. Perhaps only because there could come a time when you’ll be glad the state doesn’t have the power to kill.
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Sorry. Habit.
That’s a slightly different situation - a six-year-old doesn’t really know what they’re doing is wrong because at six you generally haven’t been taught that. I’m not saying that that’s the case in this particular circumstance. Kid should definitely be punished and taught that what he’s doing is wrong, but I know that a lot of kids do the touchy-feeling thing with each other because they realize it feels good, before they realize that they’re not really supposed to be doing that this young. We just had an issue with that with a friend’s kid, and it was totally innocent, a total mistake.
I don’t agree with releasing a six year old’s name, because they’re (most likely) not aware that what they’re doing is wrong. Between the ages of six and ten, I’d say, is where most of that development comes in, and it varies for every kid. You’d have to have a psychologist examine the kid to find out if it was maliciously intended or not.
~Tasha
This is a fine example of why I work at KFC for my neighbors who manage the store. With a husband who works 100+ hours a week, and a 78 year old grandmother, I have very little available childcare.
My son is allowed to be at his preschool, with me, or with my mother. Sometimes, I allow my husband to watch him on his own, but only if hubby is well rested and can assure me that he will not fall asleep.
I bluntly tell everyone else that, while I like them just fine, I don’t trust my child with anyone else.
This man, if he is guilty, is an SOB and should rot. This is a fine example of why I am not 100% against the death penalty.