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[QUOTE=Mtgman]
That’s interesting, considering storyteller0910 gave you the credit for unmasking him by showing how low profile he had managed to be. It seems whatever tells he had were enough for you to pick up on.

Enjoy,
Steven
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Well I was pretty damn sure that MM was something bad, but I never cared which one it was, and believed there was no way of telling who the SK was. Brewha wouldn’t vote for MM because he was sure he wasn’t scum. MM’s posting history was very suspicious to me, the only one that I did (and I did quite a few), that just screamed “I am not a townie”. Oh well, what can you do?

Kat did do an excellent job as well. Storyteller was so trusted in my mind because of his going after FCOD so early and then refusing to let go of Pygmy Rugger. With those two moves he became almost untouchable in my mind. I find it interesting that you would have killed Fretful and not me the last night. I would have liked to have seen that last day. I would like to hear from Lakai, and if it was between you and me whom he would have more likely gone for.

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[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
I think that this wasn’t the case, that we still needed two mislynches (this was before brewha died, so if we got one of them in that spot, we still would have needed one other). If I’m wrong about that, then you are definitely right; we should have switched at the last second to Lakai
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:smack: You’re right. The town was so good at convincing each other that there were four of us left, I even believed it myself for awhile!

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Update for those waiting for the pirate game: I’ve been told to wait until the current (game 3) thread is finished, unless TPTB get around to starting a games forum (no ETA). If enough people want to get on with it now, I will start a Google group for it. At present I have seven players champing at the bit…

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Malacandra:

I’d be up for it.

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[QUOTE=Malacandra]
Update for those waiting for the pirate game: I’ve been told to wait until the current (game 3) thread is finished, unless TPTB get around to starting a games forum (no ETA). If enough people want to get on with it now, I will start a Google group for it. At present I have seven players champing at the bit…
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I’d like to play, but I was in the first 2 games. If the game isn’t full by the time you start it(fat chance), I’m in, but I want to give those who haven’t played yet a chance to get in.

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[QUOTE=Malacandra]
Update for those waiting for the pirate game: I’ve been told to wait until the current (game 3) thread is finished, unless TPTB get around to starting a games forum (no ETA). If enough people want to get on with it now, I will start a Google group for it. At present I have seven players champing at the bit…
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I’d be up to participating in your pirate game - which sounds really cool, by the way - but not if it’s to start immediately; I definitely need at least a few days to decompress from the last game.

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Well, I don’t know exactly why he was suspicious before the Pygmy lynch (I seem to recall there being some evidence, but I don’t recall what exactly it was, and I’m not inclined to go wading for it), but after Pygmy, it was very suspicious that he survived, having lagged by a single vote. Which, I suppose, further underscores the effectiveness of your strategy. Lynching him instead of Pygmy wouldn’t have ended the game right there, and it would have made his lynchers a bit more suspect, but only one Mafioso would have had to switch, and one possible suspicion in exchange for one certain mislynch is probably a good deal for the Mafia, that late in the game.

Incidentally, I don’t think it’s quite precisely accurate to say that the Godfather is immune to the Vigilante. The Vig can’t kill him directly, but if he tries and fails, he’s got pretty good evidence that he’s the Godfather, which is almost as good. On the other hand, the same strategy that kept you from getting lynched presumably also kept the Vig from targetting you in the first place (the Serial Killer might still gun for you, but he’d have no way to share the information). I wonder if this maybe makes the Godfather role, as used in this game, too powerful? I’m not sure I see a good counter to it, aside from just getting lucky on one of the early, blind lynches.

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[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
I’d be up to participating in your pirate game - which sounds really cool, by the way - but not if it’s to start immediately; I definitely need at least a few days to decompress from the last game.
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Is it really worth your time to fill up a slot knowing you’ll be killed either the first night or second day? :wink:

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[QUOTE=Chronos]
Incidentally, I don’t think it’s quite precisely accurate to say that the Godfather is immune to the Vigilante. The Vig can’t kill him directly, but if he tries and fails, he’s got pretty good evidence that he’s the Godfather, which is almost as good. On the other hand, the same strategy that kept you from getting lynched presumably also kept the Vig from targetting you in the first place (the Serial Killer might still gun for you, but he’d have no way to share the information). I wonder if this maybe makes the Godfather role, as used in this game, too powerful? I’m not sure I see a good counter to it, aside from just getting lucky on one of the early, blind lynches.
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You know what was really great, for me, was the fact that on Day 2 the town decided it was going to give marching orders to Blaster Master for the duration of the game. If BM had just been doing his own thing, independent of town control, he might have gotten a little itch of suspicion and just decided to try and take me out on his own. As it was, though, and as you say, the same strategy that kept me from getting lynched kept the Vig away.

As to balance, I’d say that this game was very near perfectly balanced. A lot of things happened on both sides - the town benefitted from two enormously prescient kills by the SK, both of players that weren’t even on the town radar, but was hurt by the early death of their Detective. It came down almost as far as it’s possible for a game to come, so I’m not sure how it could have been better balanced.

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[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger]
Is it really worth your time to fill up a slot knowing you’ll be killed either the first night or second day? :wink:
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I don’t know… there are so many unique roles in the pirate game that I don’t think it will play out anything like the other three games have so far. I think the amount of information available from the start will be greater, so the urge to make kills based on nothing but “he played in the last game” will be less.

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I’ll carry on collecting names, then. The Mafia III game won’t be finishing any time soon so unless the games forum is up and running soon, Google Groups it will be. I’ll take a leaf out of Gadarene’s book and put links in my sig on this board. Nothing will start until next Monday which should give all the shell-shocked participants from this megagame some time to settle their nerves. :smiley:

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[QUOTE=Malacandra]
I’ll carry on collecting names, then. The Mafia III game won’t be finishing any time soon so unless the games forum is up and running soon, Google Groups it will be. I’ll take a leaf out of Gadarene’s book and put links in my sig on this board. Nothing will start until next Monday which should give all the shell-shocked participants from this megagame some time to settle their nerves. :smiley:
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Well, if it’s not until next Monday, then sign me up. Your game sounds like a blast.

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[QUOTE=Malacandra]
I’ll carry on collecting names, then. The Mafia III game won’t be finishing any time soon so unless the games forum is up and running soon, Google Groups it will be. I’ll take a leaf out of Gadarene’s book and put links in my sig on this board. Nothing will start until next Monday which should give all the shell-shocked participants from this megagame some time to settle their nerves. :smiley:
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WOOHOO! Will we be allowed a forbiden thread on the dope to hang out and talk in after we get killed?

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[QUOTE=NAF1138]
WOOHOO! Will we be allowed a forbiden thread on the dope to hang out and talk in after we get killed?
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Mf. I guess our genial hosts would frown on that, so I’ll set that up in Google. Again, there’ll be a link in my sig for all interested parties to follow. Anyone who wants to pester the mods to get on with that games forum, don’t let me dissuade you. You in meanwhile?

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[QUOTE=Malacandra]
You in meanwhile?
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Yeah, I’m in.

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[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom]
All morning I wanted to scream “WHERE’S KAT WHY ISN’T SHE VOTING FOR FRETFUL ARGGGGG@!#@!#@@#!#”
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Sorry, I was at work.

I am on vacation starting this Saturday through Memorial Day. I assume that the Pirate game will be starting before that? If so, I’ll have to wait for Mafia V.

I’d just like to add that storyteller is a freaking genius.

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So in the 2 games we at SDMB have played the town has won and the scum have won. My question is how does this game “normally” play out? Who wins more often? I understand that there are a lot of different variations of the game changing the dynamics but I assume the basic premise is the same; one side outnumbers the other but the other knows more. Which side normally wins?

It seems to me that the big difference between the 2 games is which team lost a major player first. In the 1st game the alpha died right away, In the second game the DET was lost on the 2nd night. The game was won by which side didn’t lose their major power role first. I don’t want this taken as a dismissal of the prowess of storyteller (I did stand up and applaud in my server room, luckily no one heard me, not sure how I would have explained that, but I said I would, and dammit! He deserved it!). So which team generally wins?

My guess is the scum. It seems easier to play that side, but what do I know? As we just learned in 79 fun filled pages, not much!

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[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Reading this thread has been interesting. Seriously, can someone explain to me why Lakai seemed so scummy?
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Reading this thread was fun. It seems that everyone that died and appeared in this thread thought I was acting scummy. Man am I glad that they were all dead. :wink:

I was first FOSed by Cowgirl. It was the first time I defended myself against an FOS and that brought Blaster Master on my tail. Blaster Master was conveniently killed that night. If he was left alive I think I would have died a lot sooner. From then on it was Brewha that suspected me, with Queuing following soon after. In retrospect I think that if I never defended myself, no one would have become suspicious of me.

[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
I think that this wasn’t the case, that we still needed two mislynches (this was before brewha died, so if we got one of them in that spot, we still would have needed one other). If I’m wrong about that, then you are definitely right; we should have switched at the last second to Lakai
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Well, if you would have switched there was still a chance that me and Pleonast would have jumped back on Pygmy, so I think it was wise that you did not expose yourselves.

I was almost dead certain that there could not have been two mafia members voting for Pygmy because no one switched.

[QUOTE=Queuing]
Well I was pretty damn sure that MM was something bad, but I never cared which one it was, and believed there was no way of telling who the SK was. Brewha wouldn’t vote for MM because he was sure he wasn’t scum. MM’s posting history was very suspicious to me, the only one that I did (and I did quite a few), that just screamed “I am not a townie”. Oh well, what can you do?

Kat did do an excellent job as well. Storyteller was so trusted in my mind because of his going after FCOD so early and then refusing to let go of Pygmy Rugger. With those two moves he became almost untouchable in my mind. I find it interesting that you would have killed Fretful and not me the last night. I would have liked to have seen that last day. I would like to hear from Lakai, and if it was between you and me whom he would have more likely gone for.
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The only way we could have had a shot at winning was if the town would have went for Kat on the last day. I thought Kat and Fretful were the last two mafia members and decided to lynch Fretful first, because I thought she was an easier sell. I don’t think that even Joe McCarthy could have found a reason to suspect Kat. If Fretful would have got killed that night then I would have voted for Storyteller. It would have been too obvious at that point that Storyteller did not get killed. As mafia, I would not want the only townie that identified two mob members still around for the endgame.

How about you, who would you have voted for if you were left with me and Storyteller?

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[QUOTE=Lakai]
I thought Kat and Fretful were the last two mafia members and decided to lynch Fretful first, because I thought she was an easier sell. I don’t think that even Joe McCarthy could have found a reason to suspect Kat.
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Yeah, you were the only one, I think. How’d you figure it out?

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[QUOTE=Malacandra]
I’ll carry on collecting names, then. The Mafia III game won’t be finishing any time soon so unless the games forum is up and running soon, Google Groups it will be. I’ll take a leaf out of Gadarene’s book and put links in my sig on this board. Nothing will start until next Monday which should give all the shell-shocked participants from this megagame some time to settle their nerves. :smiley:
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Hey hey, count me in too… if you can. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Storyteller0910]
You know what was really great, for me, was the fact that on Day 2 the town decided it was going to give marching orders to Blaster Master for the duration of the game. If BM had just been doing his own thing, independent of town control, he might have gotten a little itch of suspicion and just decided to try and take me out on his own. As it was, though, and as you say, the same strategy that kept me from getting lynched kept the Vig away.
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First of all, well played. There were a couple of times I was a little suspicious of you, but not enough to substatiate it until the end… I thought it was you and Fretful… :frowning: Anyway, I agree, and I didn’t really want to kill Fern Forest on my own, but I didn’t have much choice at that point. In fact, I think my preference was Auguecheek, and I ALMOST went against the town orders and did it anyway, but decided against that (don’t recall why at this point).

I also would’ve probably whacked **Pygmy Rugger ** and/or Lakai… even though Lakai gained my trust over the last couple of game days, I woulda whacked him before that.