Bailout deal agreed to. McCain's"leadership" not required.

No, I believe that I would be perceived (rightly so) to be grandstanding. Especially if Sales and Accounting did not want me there. And also if I was walking around the building to a variety of departments before going to accounting, “being seen” to be doing something. And really, really so if I’d announced my plans over the intercom, and it was widely known that the other guy who wanted the CEO job had already called me in the morning to see if we could work together to solve the problem.

But everybody is already highly motivated to do this anyway, and he’s not their boss. They’ve already indicated that they don’t want or need his assistance, espcially since it’s an issue that lies outside his area of expertise.

It’s like you’ve spent a week hammering out a deal with a specialized committee, get right up next to closing, and then some guy with the same job title as you have, but without your knowledge of the issues involved in the deal and without any prior involvement rushes into the room and makes a big deal in front of the CEO about how he’s going to “help us all out of this mess,” and try to take credit for the deal you’ve already made, all just to brown nose for a big promotion in front of the boss.

McCain has also been all over the map on the bailout. How is he going to realistically argue for a bill he had no part in writing? I don’t know, but some of it might directly contradict his stated position.

BTW, I’m sure the Administration signed off on this thing, so there is no chance Bush will veto it unless it somehow gets amended to death, which I doubt.

I just saw Pat Buchanan on MSNBC saying that McCain should intentionally try to ratfuck the deal and blow it up so he can then claim that he’s going to take over and craft a brand new, bipartsan McCain bill.

Aside from the fact that McCain can’t block the deal on his on (it’s not like his one vote is going to be the difference), I think that would just end up pissing off his own party, not to mention the White House, still look transparently political to voters and completely alienate Democrats. No way in hell would the Dems go along with a scheme like that. Meanwhile, the economy would still be frozen and the stock market would tank again.

No matter how much McCain and his thugs might hate the fact that they got outflanked on this, they have no choice but to go along with it.

Before this election is over, they’re going to go full frontal with personal smears against Obama. It’s all they have left.

I think you need to change your thread title, Diogenes. From CNN’s web site right now:

This now smells very much like the Republican leadership recognizes that they HAVE to show that McCain has flown in and saved the day.

The deal is fine. Don’t get your hopes up. It’s just one whiny douchebag,

Do you happen to have a cite to the Obama’s proposal-as-template news? I’d love to share this.

Yeah, they’ll probably try to contrive some problem for McCain to “solve.” Basically, they’ll push the baby into the water so McCain can jump in and save it. Still, that’s just theater. The deal is fine.

The spin is, if nothing else, creative.

You take this quote:

And claim it shows that:

and moreoveer that it somehow justifies the need to “suspend” campaigning and avoid debating in response to the request.

Nah, coming out with the bipartisan joint statement as suggested by Obama hours earlier doesn’t give the cover they need. Only him coming in and overtly politicizing a situation could suffice.

Again, you are confusing the people doing the actual negotiation in committees, and the rest of Congress, who still get to cast a yay/nay vote on it.

So even if he’s not involved in the specifics, he can rally support for it. Sure the party whips can do it, but the fact is, at this moment in time, Obama and McCain are the de facto leaders of their respective parties.

If the Republicans actually want to see their guy elected, they’ll engineer some sort of ‘essential’ role for him in the process.
We haven’t seen that yet, so the deal isn’t a done deal.
Theatre is important here.

You keep thinking, Diogenes. That’s what you’re good at. :slight_smile:

Fucking McCain weasel fucked the whole deal. Fucking crybaby. It looks like I overestimated McCain’s integrity – a mistake I keep making.

I thought they had enough Democrats on board for this that they didn’t NEED Republican support. This is bullshit.

Have you been watching the TV? It seems to be the House Republicans that have the major concerns.

Gee. What a coincidence.

I guess they’re saying McCain didn’t even say anything at the meeting. The House Republicans basically sandbagged every body (including Bush) with a bunch of contrived objections. Obviously, they decided they couldn’t let a deal happen that McCain had nothing to do with. As they said, they’re pushing the baby into the pond so McCain can jump in and save it. The trouble is, McCain can’t fucking swim.

Country first…etc.

I thought I posted this already. . .

McCain is in a pickle. Save the day and piss off his ‘base’ that never really liked him or stay with his base and not save the day.