Yeah, I was getting upset over that, thinking “Here we go again–Starbuck is the best at everything.” :rolleyes:
But then the fact that the Cylon (Leobon) totally owned her during the interrogation made it all better. He was playing with her the whole time. The look on Starbuck’s face when she realized it–as the Cylon told the President there was no nuke and he had just said that to buy some time–was priceless. When the President told Starbuck that the entire fleet was spread out and defenseless, based on what the Cylon had told Starbuck, she just looked so deflated. (ooh, and the part where Leobon broke his chains, flipped over the table, and grabbed Starbuck by the neck was pretty cool, too. She didn’t even try to defend herself. What a badass she is! :rolleyes: )
Adama IS the man! He knew exactly what Leobon would try to do. He even warned the President about it and strongly suggested that they just put the Cylon out an airlock instantly. The President insisted on having him interrogated, though, and in the end when she realized Adama had been correct, she must have felt just as big of a fool as Starbuck.
Yes. Well, amongst the cylons we only know that Six and “Leobon” are believers, but they’re both monotheists. The humans pray to the “gods of Kobol,” which appear to take the names of Greek gods.
It? Sure seemed like a him to me.
I thought it was strange at first too, but then it made sense – Starbuck was never going to kill hte guy (she kept getting fed up and letting him breathe) and by the end (especially after he could have killed her but didn’t) Leobon had convinced her he was a person, for all that he was born of a toaster. Then when the president went back on her word Starbuck knew that it cost a man his life – and did so before Kara could make up for the terrible things she’d done to him.
The pres. also made what might in future be considered a tactical error; if Leobon’s consciousness does make it back, then the cylons will never trust her offers to parlay.
–Cliffy
Is her name Thrace? It says Kara in the TV Guide thingie, but I thought someone called her Thrace. The Winged Victory of Samthrace is a Greek statue of Nike. Nike was a US missile interceptor of the cold war.
I will not be led into digression.
How many “Cylons In The Head” is the series allowed?
Balthar’s Cyclon Detector ™ works. How did he know to build it, did he test Six?
I thought it was a ruse to get a Nuclear Device for Six.
Boomer on Carpithia or Karpas or Corinth (whatever) is going to be the Battlestar Ponderosa Good Bad guy?..Sorry. The concept of the Good/Bad guy from Bonanza.
I’d like to see some more of how they renew supplies.
I want for my answering machine, “Combat Command, Col. Teighe”.
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I love this show. Sorry to gush but it’s great. A smoking doctor, the President throwing the Cylon out the airlock instead of moralizing over it, the drama between actors(“if it were you we would never leave”), hot women with glowing spines as they orgasm. Finally someone got a science fiction show right. The news that it has been picked up for a second season makes me very happy.
I don’t think she was upset about that. I think that when she realized that the Cylon couldn’t zip back to the network or mainframe or whatever then she actually did see him as human. It made her come to terms with her own mortality as well.
I think that the President was sincere when she offered the Cylon a truce; but then he deliberately did the one thing he knew would get him executed. I bet he knew that the Pres wouldn’t believe it for a minute. He just wanted to go back to God at that point.
I’m pretty sure it’s impossible for Adama or Tigh to be Cylons. They’re too old, presuming that the Cylons only began work on their biological models after the first war of forty years previous.
I wonder why Adama so bitterly hates the Cylons (besides the obvious genocide). Decades after everyone else had forgotten about the Cylons, when the Galactica was the last battlestar on active duty and it was about to be mothballed, he insisted on maintaining full wartime-level computer security. I think we’re talking grudge here. He seems so insistant on denying that the Cylons could be concious or have spiritual beliefs; he calls them “it” and insists they’re just spouting BS. Maybe his family had a big Cylon-run plantation before the first war and they lost everything when the “slaves” revolted?
What are the Cylons up to? Finding Earth is a good possibility. But there’ still more to it than that. They seem to have this weird love-hate relationship with humans. Maybe the Cylons are trying to become the NEW humans; what they feel God wanted humanity to be. Maybe they need to produce Cylon-Human hybrids? I just hope the writers don’t pull a Twin Peaks and fill the series with red herrings that don’t actually mean anything.
In the miniseries, Adama made several references to the ship’s (and his) service in the war of, what, 20 years ago. He may still harbor a hatred for them simply based on all the friends of his they’d killed. To maintain such a hatred for an enemy involves, um, dehumanizing them.
msmith537, thanks for the proposed explanation - Kara’s change of heart didn’t make sense to me at the time, but that does. lumpy, I agree with you too.
Still no plot development on Caprica, annoyingly, and at some point they’ll have to have Helo questioning the BoomerBot about her walkabouts.
I had a very different take on that scene. Adama deliberately went to the cooler, took out the “dead” Leoben*, then made the phone call about spreading out the fleet to minimize any damage by the nuke. Then he held the phone close to the dead Leoben and said, “know.” (at least I think that’s what he said)
Adama is considering the possibility that even a dead Leoben might be able to transmit information to other Leobens. He was playing a mind game on Leoben, even while Leoben was playing with Starbuck’s. Yes, he da man.
*Big problem though. In the mini-series, didn’t they incinerate the dead Leoben’s body? Isn’t that how they discovered the only way to tell Cylon’s from humans was a little silica/synthetic material in their brains?
Great ep!! Made even more so because I had recorded this and Enterprise, then watched them back-to-back. The contrast was stunning.
Pretty trippy with all the religious stuff. Seems like the human-looking Cylons realy believe it. I hope they explore this idea in more depth in the future-- I strongly suspect they will.
Did Leoben say Adama was a Cylon? The sound was pretty poor id that part, and I couldn’t tell who he was talking about.
Yes, but he didn’t specify which Adama, Commander or Apollo, the father or the son? While daddy’s pretty much a household name the son might just be a switch. How well can Cylons duplicate a specific person, rather than a generic hottie, anyway?
Ok, at what point did we realize that the Cylon couldn’t zip back to the network? I must have blinked or something. I find all the religious talk very intriguing, and I am completely mystified concerning the Cylons plans. I can’t even decide if the Cylons on the Caprica and the Cylons everywhere else are following the same plan.
It seems like Caprica Boomer is turning more human and BG Boomer is turning more Cylon. The Chief is a boob.
It is a great show, no doubt about that. But it needs less Starbuck. A lot less. At the very least, stop giving her such a central role in each episode. Heck, in Fridays episode, I let out a hip-hip-huzzah! when I thought the Cylon was going to off her.
A few minutes of our intrepid and bipolar space ace is all I can handle. No, I don’t need her to be ‘the best shot in the fleet’ and ‘the best pilot in the fleet’ and ‘the interrogator’ and so forth. Her character is a great pilot, and leave it at that. It pierces the cloud of ‘believability’ to have one person fill so many roles, when the other characters are so incredibly believable.
I’m right there with you on hoping this show doesn’t become “The Adventures of Starbuck,” and I don’t like her being the best at everything.
However, in this case, I didn’t mind her being chosen as the interrogator. I found it hard to believe they had no one in fleet who was a better sniper thans Starbuck, but it seems more realistic that they wouldn’t have a trained interrogator on board. Oh, they probably had cops who’d handled interrogation, but not military intelligence officers, and Adama needed someone under his commant that he knew he could trust.
Plus, for dramatic reasons, it had to be one of the main characters and who else could do it? Apollo has already shown he gets too sympathetic (as with Zarek), Boomer et al are too new or too junior, and Tigh has too much personal baggage that a clever cylon could use against him.
Finally, as Tangent said, she really didn’t do all that good a job. She struck me as someone who maybe had a couple classes in resisting interrogation techniques but very little practice on the other side. She didn’t get anything useful out of the guy. All she did was get mind fucked for a while.
But I do hope that they start focusing on the other characters more. I don’t hate Starbuck, but there are too many other good characters to make her the primary focus of the show.
Didn’t know who that was. A GIS later, and DAMN. That woman is easy on the eyes!
Well, they had Sgt.Bustyourballs, from a few episodes back. She probably would have had that Cylon admiting to stealing your other sock from the dryer in a few short hours. I do see your point, though. I just cringe at the prospect of what else Starbuck is going to be doing. Someone needs to tell the writers that ‘being the best pilot’ is good enough; don’t overdo it.
And advancing the Caprica plot would be nice. Still, all just minor nitpicks to a darned fine show. Nice and gritty. Until the plot comes together a bit more, I don’t care for it as much as SG1/Atlantis, but it’s on regular Tivo rotation…
I figured Helo is dead, the fleet being too far away. But they aren’t traveling FTL except when they jump. So, if the fleet made 10 jumps in a week, and he made the same ten jumps in a day, they’d be at the same place, right?
But why aren’t they jumping all the time, at least from one likely solar system to another?
