Battlestar Galactica 2.14 — "Black Market" (rag-tag spoilers)

I barely even noticed until after this was over that Starbuck was nowhere to be seen until the preview for next week! I liked the departure from the “Cylon tyranny” storyline to focus on Apollo and fleet-specific issues.

Loved the end where Adama says “You should have told me about the girl…” We laughed out loud at that!

Bill Duke never ages, does he?

I’ve never gotten the hang of the podcasts, but I wonder if Ron Moore’s “problem” with the latest eps is they are somewhat of a throwback to the old BSG. I haven’t watched it in awhile but they did seem to focus on Apollo and Starbuck individually and the Cylon conflict took a backseat in many shows.

I’m happy with this half of the season so far, and it looks like things will pick up a little next week.

Oh, yeah, I did see the “glowing baby spine” this week. :eek:

Explained in Siobhan’s “I don’t need you anymore, goodbye” speech - she was Apollo’s GF on Caprica, presumably nuked along with the rest of 'em.

I did think Dee kissed Billy, after making sure Apollo wasn’t interested - hey, if she can’t get the Admiral’s son, she can get the President’s near-son instead. She’s no more innocent than the rest of 'em.

My daughter and I both thought the Prometheus looked way too much like the Mos Eisley Spaceport, and the child slaves were too far over the top.

C’mon, Moore, pick it up, willya? Geez.

It was the standard device to make the bad guy need killin’. You’d have to have something akin to child prostitution, drugs or canabalism. :slight_smile:

I don’t have any problems with this episode, I rather liked it. No Starbuck, very little Baltar, no Cylons. Moore complains in the podcast that it is too much like “TV” and that we aren’t exclaiming “Oh my God I didn’t expect that to happen!” Get a grip, it is TV. I’d rather have a good story like this than an episode filled with OMG moments that show how cool Ron Moore is. What is the deal with his podcasts? It is nice of him to do them, but is it a Baltar ego thing? Seems he could do them in an office, or at least turn off the phone and plan for a time when his gardener wasn’t outside the window with a leafblower.

I, for one, completely agree. I don’t know if y’all have seen the Season 1 DVDs, but in one of the special features I didn’t even recognize her until the caption. I couldn’t find any pictures of her in it, but these show how different she can look with different hair and makeup.

Anyway, as to the show, I liked this episode – assuming that we’re not just dropping the thread of the Cylon Miracle. I want to see fallout from that. I like that the writers don’t feel that we need to see every character every week, and that we can focus here on Lee and pretty much no one else. Also, I loved the President’s attempted maneuvering with Baltar toward the end. “Resign, it’s best for you…” Right. This thread is going somewhere interesting.

So for you, the disguise worked? :slight_smile:

I wasn’t a big fan of last week’s episode (Magical Cylon baby blood? Bah!), but I rather enjoyed this one. Other than Resurrection Ship part 1, it’s been my favorite of this second half-season. Part of it is that I like the development of Apollo’s character. Starbuck is cool, and all, but I got tired of how a lot of the episodes from earlier this season and last were all Starbuck, all the time.

The other part is that I think it’s good for a show from time to time to step away from the overarching plot and focus on something smaller. When a show stays relentlessly on message, I find that it gets tiring (X-Files succumbed to this problem in later seasons, for example).

I’ll give the episode a 7/10. Not because I didn’t think it was good, but because some of the other episodes have set the bar so high that it’s hard to do better. As a point of comparison, the previous episode was maybe a 5.

I liked the episode. It had its flaws. Apollo’s angst over his old girlfriend (had she ever been mentioned or alluded to before?) seemed to come out of nowhere and that was a bit jolting. Also (as mentioned), Siobhan’s speech at the end was really lame. However, it was nice to see what’s going on outside of Galactica and Pegasus. Plus, it was a good development of Apollo’s character (joltingly sudden revalations about old girlfriends aside). Also, I appreciated an episode that didn’t have all the “OMG, what the hell just happened” moments. If it’s that intense all the time, I get a bit numb.

I didn’t expect Fisk to get offed so soon. I never thought he’d last all that long, but I figured he’d stick around a bit longer. Poor old Tigh’s going to need another drinking buddy (somehow I don’t think Starbuck will be up for that).

There seemed to be a lot of child slaves. Just how many people interested in child slaves can there be in a population of less than 50,000? It seems they’re as over represented as reporters.

I’m not sure whether Dee kissed Billy or he kissed her when they were doing the sit up thing. It definitely implied they’re still together.

I liked this one. A nice little diversion from the main story arc. It can’t be all about fighting Cylons. Hard to find the moral high ground when we’re all knee deep in mud, indeed. I wonder when someone is going to claim that Madame Prez has Cylon blood and can’t be trusted to protect the fleet. You don’t need Karl Rove as your advisor to use that in a campaign!

By the way, where are these?

The creator’s running commentary on the episodes - i.e. as with DVD commentaries, only available now for immediate gratification ;). The only issue is that as noted above he seems to record them at home and annoying issues like gardeners and barking dogs do crop up on the audio at times. You can download them here:

  • Tamerlane

I kind of assumed from the way it was edited, that Apollo had a sort of vision of the girlfriend when he was near death, and either it was pleasant and he didn’t want to come back, or the guilt was so awful he didn’t want to come back. So I didn’t have so much of a problem with her suddenly being introduced. (Though I admit this may be a Kessel Run style rationalization on my part.) I did like the concentration on building character, and I thought Jamie Bamber did a great job.

However, in addition to the hamfisted speech by Siobhan, I have to call this episode on a* faux pas * I’ve only seen before in the dreadful *Ghosts of Mars * - the flashback-within-a-flashback-within-a-flashback. I can’t think of a way that technique can be rendered elegant and entertaining.

Also, is it just me, or have we seen a lot of [shocking non-sequitur scene, cut] . . . “48 hours earlier” in TV lately? Didn’t they do this just two eps ago on BSG itself?

Yes and yes.

“48 hours earlier”

Two shows with this? Done on purpose or lack of ideas?

According to the podcast, this was a last-minute desperation decision to try to breathe some life into an episode nobody was happy with. They felt it started slow and unfocused, and by flashing forward to the climax they hoped to inject tension into the first few scenes: who’s that, why’s Apollo pointing a gun at him, etc. Pretty much a Hail Mary device, according to RDM, and not the way the ep was originally planned.

The negative thrust of the podcast, and the basis of RDM’s criticism, is basically three-pronged. First, he thinks the Bill Duke character belongs in another show; he’s too evil, too simplistic a bad guy, whereas this show likes to traffic in shades of gray. Second, he thinks Apollo’s journey is too linear; he asks Zarek up front for a lead instead of doing his own investigation, he goes right to the source of the crime with no detours or dead ends, he zeroes right in on his target, boom-boom-boom, without any twists or turns or surprises. He says they were going for a Heart of Darkness feel, sending Apollo into a labyrinth of corruption, except that the maze turns out not to have any branches. Third, he thinks they missed the mark badly on the economic/philosophical foundation of the story. There’s an interesting debate about the degree to which an illicit economy should be allowed to operate, how much it serves a society, and whether Roslin’s desire to stamp it out makes practical sense, but an economic argument doesn’t make particularly good drama, so they shied away from it and threw in the child molestation cliche to make it visceral to the audience. Take those three things together, and as c’plant says, it makes the show feel to RDM like “regular TV” instead of great TV.

(Oh, and there was a plot point that RDM regrets cutting: Apollo’s flight on the raptor to Prometheus is his first time in the pilot’s seat since his spacewalk, and he’s apparently close to the edge of failing to keep himself together. Pretty important stuff.)

I’ll give him the third criticism, but on the first and the second, while I agree that they didn’t accomplish their intended objective, they landed on something else equally valid, and RDM is either blind to it or he’s deliberately selling himself short to buy some audience sympathy, as noted above.

On the first, I don’t mind a clear, unambiguous villain. This is a dark show, reflecting the darkness of reality, and it’s certainly true that there are some very, very bad people in the world, people for whom killin’ is too good. The show doesn’t need to paint every single person as a conflicted mix of motives, because that’s simply not how the world is. Every now and then, we’re going to run into somebody who is just plain rotten to the core.

And taking the second, in combination with the first, we actually have a totally different journey for Apollo than what was intended, but one that’s equally valid and, in my opinion, even more enlightening as to his character than what they were going for. By putting the flashforward at the beginning, by announcing that Apollo is going to wind up toe to toe with the villain, they basically lay out the arc of the story in advance. Then, maybe a third into it (or so; I forget the exact structure), we meet that bad guy, in the scene where the hooker and her daughter are taken, and we see that he is, indeed, unredeemable. At the end, Apollo will be staring down his sidearm at a man who deserves to die.

At this point, we don’t need twists and turns. The point of the show becomes getting to that final confrontation, and seeing what Apollo decides to do. We know, from a practical point of view, that Apollo is basically going to have no choice but to shoot the guy. And yet, that’s not what we expect from him and his Boy Scout outlook. He’s going to pursue the investigation, he’s going to follow his leads and find his target, because that’s his duty. But because of the opening flashforward, we know he’s marching straight into a no-win situation, because Apollo is not a murderer. It’s not simply a suicidal impulse, because his point about having been tracked is a good one; if anything happens to him Galactica is going to take a large-caliber shit right on Prometheus’s face. Even so, we get the sense that he doesn’t actually care, that in some ways he hopes that’s exactly what happens; there is, indeed, a suicidal undercurrent to his quest. But when he comes face to face with such an unapologetic monster, he’s actually coming face to face with his self-torment when making impossible moral choices. He throws himself carelessly to the wolves, and it isn’t until he actually pulls the trigger that he makes a choice not just about living or dying, but about who he is willing to be in order to survive.

So it’s not Heart of Darkness. It’s Lethal Weapon. :slight_smile:

All of that being said, the ineptitude of the prostitute’s climactic speech comes perilously close to blowing apart the entire show. We don’t care about her. We care about Apollo. We care about his feelings, not hers; we care about his self-image, not his life with this woman. For her to blather on and on, “I’m not her, that’s what this is about,” cliche after cliche, deflates all the emotional value of what’s been happening to that point. It should have been a simple, cold, flat moment, short and cutting. Something like:

Hooker: “I’m not coming.”
Apollo: “What? …I won’t turn my back on you.”
Hooker: “You turned your back on her.”

And she’s gone, leaving him alone with his history. That’s all they needed. The elaborate flashbacks, the lengthy monologue, all totally unnecessary, and indeed counterproductive. And the episode is significantly weaker because they blew the climax.

Mask that poor finish, though, and imagine a better scene in its place, and you can see how the remainder of the episode suddenly gets a lot stronger.

So that’s what I’m focusing on.

Not their finest hour, by far. Possibly even their least successful episode, though I think “Final Cut” still qualifies, and as others have said even mediocre Galactica is still more enjoyable than just about anything else on television.

And I’m definitely looking forward to next week.

lets just hope they (the producers) don’t realize this, the fact that they have a captive audience, as it could really undermine the show…

"ahh, frak it, we can do whatever we want to this show, the fans’ll still watch it, what else are they gonna’ watch, reality TV?!?, we’ve got them where we want them, we can shovel any amount of dren down their throats and they can’t do anything about it, we’re “the only thing worth watching”…

that said, i do have a kind of morbid curiosity as to how far they’re willing to let the show sink, there are already a few too many “Trek-ish” conveniences starting to seep into the show…

The last two eps have made me really glad I still watch Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis. Now there are some writers who know how to screw around, but not really, really screw around.

I know that Moore’s Fraking randomness is unpredictable, but I again found solice in this episode, due to his introducing parallela to Serina & Boxey. Yeah, it’s darker, but his relationship with Shevon (& daughter, Paya) actually makes more sense to me than the original. Maybe she’ll get popped (or a cylon :slight_smile: ) and Apollo will end up with a kid that isn’t his, but he takes care of and loves, nevertheless.

Plus, I’d pay cubits to see how Moore casts a daggit!

Stuff I liked:
Seeing the seamy underbelly of life on the fleet
Killing off Fisk right at the start
Apollo’s madcap descent into mild ennui
Baltar being Baltar
Roslyn being Roslyn

Stuff I didn’t like:
“48 hours earlier” GAH! Alias does that ALL THE FREAKING TIME, and as that show has descended from mediocrity into all-out suckness, I’ve developed a bad reaction to that device. If Apollo infiltrates Baltar’s lab by going to a party in an attached nightclub, I’m done.

Insta-Character-Development-In-A-Box. Just add water, and POOF! Apollo had a long-lost girlfriend he’s never mentioned! POOF! Fisk is smuggling food and medicine, which handily makes it OK to kill him off! POOF! The smuggler guy is not only an evil smuggler, but running a child prostitution ring, which handily makes it even more OK for Apollo to shoot him!
Really, one thing I’ve heard mentioned here that I’ve really appreciated is the fact that they really have tried hard to include ambiguity - no one’s all good or all bad. Well, they failed big time on that with this episode.

All in all, this was a filler episode, and it showed. There was some lazy writing. But I appreciated the attempt in the last few episodes to focus more on the internal dynamics of the fleet. I didn’t want to like it, but I find myself intrigued. It really is such an artificial situation that it makes for good sci-fi fodder.

Citizen Bob stole mine by mentioning the Daggit … I don’t have anything else to add to discussing this episode that hasn’t been said 2X and better by others … I am always amazed at how they integrate the old stuff, that was suitable for family hour on Network TV in the 1970’s (and since then can be seen after the Superfriends and before Scooby Doo) into something much darker, post millennial and adult

Thanks for posting Ron Moore’s take from the Podcast. (I really need to get off this luddite kick of mine and get the ability to download them.) I have a totally different take on this episode than he does. The flaws I found in this episode were the minor ones people have mentioned here. I really didn’t see his issues as major flaws.

The “too bad” bad guy: I see his point, but it doesn’t bother me. As mentioned, sometimes it’s nice to have an unambiguously bad guy. Plus, he had to be a “very bad” bad guy otherwise we’d be right back to the “to shoot or not shoot” dilemma we had with Cain. That would be exhausting. With all the moral questions that come up on this show, sometimes my brain likes the easy answer of seeing a really evil dude get what’s coming to him.

The lack of twists and turns: I can’t fault this at all. This isn’t CSI: Deep Space or L&O: Gallactica. I don’t need (or want) shocking twists and red herrings. Apollo’s character journey was the primary focus of the story. Whatever mystery there was in who offed Fisk and finding the black market ringleaders was background stuff.

Light coverage of the economic debate: I admit, it would have been cool to see more of a discussion of the best structure for the fleet economy. I would be interested to see a discussion of how much of a free market vs. command economy works best in a post apocolypse situation. However, I don’t know that they could fit all that in an hour without sacrificing the Apollo story. Plus, I can see how it wouldn’t make for great TV (although the image of Baltar drawing supply and demand curves on a white board and trying to explain marginal costs does crack me up for some odd reason).