Okay, i’m probably the last fan to realize this, and it may play into the Toaster’s “Plan”, but i just realized…
there are 12 Cylon models
there are 12 Colonies…
perhaps there’s one Meatbag-Cylon model per colony
so far we have Six, a Caprican
Boomer hails from where?
that Cylon from the weapons depot, where did he hail from?
any idea on other Meatbag-Cylon models?
[spoiler]I just thought of another potential Meatbag-Cylon…
Dualla
think about it, she frakked up in “33” and “lost” the Olympic Carrier, which later returned carrying a thermonuclear “present” on board…
and she currently seems to be romantically involved with Billy, and considering how insistent the Toasterettes seem to be about getting in the “Toaster in the Oven” Motherboardly way, it would fit with the Meatbags “Cross-Breeding” program…
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Well, either your memory is off or mine is.
He actually had a chance to steal the old lady’s raffle number but didn’t. Another instance of the writers managing to dodge expectations. It was Helo’s Noble Sacrifice that got Baltar on the raptor.
Only explanation is that Six’s extra-durable body blocked the blast for him. That and, well, human beings ARE remarkably durable.
I’d like to know the mission of some of the Cylons.
Boomer - recon pilot. Couldn’t get much more useful.
Six - sexy infiltrator
PR Guy - close to the rich and powerful, I guess
Ragnar Station Guy - ???
What was he doing there? Did he have a mission? “Sit around here on the extremely off chance someone comes to Ragnar Station, then try to get the C.O. alone so you can beat him up.”
Any other meatbag toasters out there I’m not remembering?
Considering the fact that TWO of the 12 models ended up on the Galactica (out of a fleet of…was it about 150 or 300 Battlestars?) it seems pretty well undisputable that Galactica was intended by the Cylons for bigger and better things.
Unless someone can come up with a good explanation to get around this fact…?
Sure, they’ve tried to nuke Galactica a couple times, but they never really seemed to have their heating elements in it.
-Joe
I dunno. What better way to test your new deep cover human Cylon model than to put him in an environment where he thinks he’s the sole remaining human and see how he copes? He has been exposed to radiation for a long time, and we assume he’s doing OK because of the anti-radiation meds he keeps getting, but is it?
I think everyone under 40 who doesn’t have an easily verifiable background is suspect. Apollo can’t be a Cylon because his dad is well known, was in the first Cylon war and the family history is well documented.
Billy is mighty suspect. Where’d he come from?
Gaeta is suspect, that little Mr. Perfect at everything.
Dualla is suspect. Just a little too goody-goody.
Helo, when everyone else is smoking and drinking, what’s he doing? Sucking on a lollipop.
Same with Boomer actually. Everyone else parties, gets messed up but Boomer is little Miss Good At Her Job. Except when she’s sleeping with someone, but it would appear she’s a seduction model.
The scene plays out like this: Boomer & Helo are reading raffle numbers. They read “forty-seven.” Baltar looks at his own, and despairs. Woman next to him: “Can you read this for me? I’ve lost my glasses.” (Glasses, meanwhile, are on top of her head. Heh.) Baltar looks at her slip: forty-seven. He stares at it, and you can see the wheels starting to turn. Then Helo says, “Hey, aren’t you Doctor Baltar?” And Baltar, startled, says, “I haven’t done anything wrong,” which is an odd thing to say if he isn’t thinking about, y’know, doing something wrong. And then he says, “This lady has ticket forty-seven.” At the time Helo interrupted his ruminations, from his expression, it seemed like he was trying to wrestle down the impulse to swipe the slip, but it also seemed like he was going to lose.
This probably could have been made clearer, but I assumed he was there for recon and intelligence-gathering, plopped on the anchorage on the off chance the fleet showed up there. If he got killed he could beam out his brain and share his findings with the Overmind or whatever it is that governs the Cylons. However, as Adama speculates just before the fistfight, the local radiation surrounding the anchorage was playing havoc with his systems, which the Cylons hadn’t planned for.
Or it’s hand-waving for the sake of a good story. 
My wife is convinced that Gaeta slipped Boomer the gun, just before she shot Adama. I’m not so sure.
Billy, on the other hand…he’s a wrong’un.
One thing I forgot: When did they go back for Harn’s (sp?) body? and why did they risk it?
Are you thinking of Tarn? They didn’t go back for his body. He died in Tyrol’s arms, more or less, and Tyrol just took his dog tag.
At the beginning of the episode, they were having a funeral over two mounds of dirt. Are you saying the second mound was symbolic?
Well, well, he thought about it!
Never said he didn’t.
Thing is, like most sleezeballs, Baltar’s biggest fear is gtting caught.
Still, though, he could have said, “I’ve got number 47. And yes, I am Dr. Baltar. How about you stay behind, L.T., and we’ll take that hot mama there back to Galactica with us?”
-Joe
Kobol isn’t off-limits. The Cylon god has turned his back on the planet, because the people that lived there forgot about him/her/it (according to what Six told Baltar.). So in a fit of pique that compares with the old Roman and Greek gods, The Holy Toaster says “Screw you guys, you’re on your own on this rock. I’m going home.”
My vote for one of the new Cylon agents - Tigh’s wife.
And Tyrol is now my new hero. He did everything a Chief is supposed to do. Provided the best advice to Crashdown, even getting disrespectful in private when it was necessary, but supported him 100% in public when push came to shove (I loved how he shut down Baltar in that scene)(I also liked how he had that little aside conversation with Baltar, just before that, making snarky remarks about how the LT was briefing the mission). He was also ready to kill the LT to save one of his people. He was going to sacrifice himself to make sure the radar dish was destroyed and then again so the people in his command (and he was in charge after Crashdown was fragged) could get away. And when it was all over, he verified Baltar’s account of the LT’s death - because it would do no real good to dishonor his memory. The man was out of his depth, but how is it going to help moral if it was generally known that anyone in charge can just stop functioning?
And from the title of this episode, I had a good guess that Crashdown wouldn’t survive. “The LT got fragged by his own troops” is a war clilche.
Was the Richard Hatch in the credits the same guy who won Survivor? I was watching for him… he might have been one of the Quorum. Which would be a fairly minor role for billing in the credits.
I didn’t really like how the humans fall apart and turn on each other, but I suppose their behavior is understandable given that they are all stressed and exhausted.
Richard Hatch was Apollo in the original series. Now he plays Congressman Zarek.
I’m hoping no major character will turn out to be a Cylon (aside from Boomer, who we already know about), because having anyone else “suddenly” revealed would be way to Deus Ex Machina for my tastes. However, I won’t mind at all finding other humans being manipulated like Balthar has been. Specifically, I’m thinking of the President’s visions.
I think the new Cylon will be the “human” (and totally new character, right?) from last week who had been hiding in the weapons locker amongst a lot of dead bodies.
I had an uneasy feeling seeing the opening gravesite scene - that the Cylons might have the ability to resurrect the dead. The only saving grace is that this show is actually good.
I respected Tyrol and the difficulty of following a leader even when you don’t agreewith them (or everyone dies).
Baltar redeems himself a little, but he’s still just doing it all for himself. Note that while he fired the weapon, he wasn’t taking careful aim and we didn’t see anything specifically shot by him. He was, really, just putting up a suppressing fire.
Six spoke of God and not gods. I got the feeling she was saying that the people followed a fake pantheon of gods and so God left them in their Gommorah. The plot implies that the Cylons have a handle on this God thing (or are just a bunch of cultist nuts), and makes pursuit of the Arrow even sillier than it already seems.
I love how the plot elements hang together. Most writing would do the president-gets-the-meds-just-in-time subplot and it would feel too … lucky that she got her meds in time. Here it makes sense. Her condition is a secret, she worsens, then slips up, then you break silence and get meds, then she appears better. And the scene with Tyrol sacrifcing himself only to be saved by the figher makes sense. I felt worried for him and the timing fits. They just blew the dish so the fighter would be coming to that spot and would see and rescue them.
I think what really shows is the writers thinking through all the little details. Not only saying “but what about this?”, but actually writing something into the script - a word, a gesture, something - that addresses the question. It’s nitpicking before the fact and taking care of it.
To clarify for those who are confused, there are two Richard Hatches in the entertainment biz.
First is the guy from Survivor - The guy who forgot to file with the IRS
Second is the guy from the original Battlestar Galactica - Who is now playing Zarek on the new BSG
-Joe, official writer of the “Which Hatch is that Hatch?”
They blew the dsih so that the raptors wouldn’t be shot down.
The only thing that really bother me about this episode was the sudden character changes. Tigh seemed to handling things just find publicly and pulled the Galactica through a very hairy situation in the first two episodes, now all of a sudden he’s back on the bottle and screwing up everything? And Callie has already been through a fire fight and had to “Smack” the chief back into duty mode, now she flips out? Seemed very forced, especially Tigh. They put him back into stereotypical drunk, screw up mode he was in the mini. I really hated to see that, they were adding some dimision to the guy.
Good point. I suppose God can choose to turn his back on a place. But if what Six says is true, “what happens there is not His will,” then letting Starbuck get her hands on the Arrow of Apollo was kinda stupid, on their part. What if she makes it back and they use the arrow on Kobol? Is that also “not God’s will?” I thought Cylons wanted humans to find Kobol.
If I were the Cylons, I’d send another Basestar to Kobol and nuke if from space, just to be sure.
Anyway, I thought it was a nice touch, when Tyrol stood up making his last stand against the Cylons, fired his weapon at them, the Cylons all blow up and he looks at his gun with that “did I do that?” look.