Battlestar Galactica 3.3: "Exodus, Part One" (spoilers)

Presumably, how they’ll defeat the BaseStars has something to do with whatever confusing maneuver it was that Kat had the pilots repeating seventeen times.

Although Laura had all the resources of the Fleet inventoried, I’m guessing that “food” and “doctors” were higher on the list to get identified than “drug-addled oracles.”

She’s a crazy old woman eating kamalah; D’Anna knows she’s an oracle because of her own oracular dreams. Everyone else probably just thinks she’s off her rocker. I certainly would (particularly once I realized it was Amanda Plummer).

Put me down as very worried after finally catching a repeat of this one. It really really seems like they are starting to drop too many balls in terms of continuity and plausibility and just plain lousy.

-The cliffhanger was unretconably botched (i.e. Cally is with Jammer and thrown down a hill into a forest and then trips as gunfire begins vs. Cally alone runs up a barren hill and is tackled: there’s just no way to fix that)

-Two snipers take out a squad of cylons and a skinjob? And we actually nearly lost a war with these tin cans?

-Why are the humans living in a dusty desert shithole in the middle of a planet apparently filled with lush foliage? How can it be a harsh planet and a lovely forested streamy area all at once?

-What happened to Jammer? He just ran off into the forest or something without anyone seeing him? He took off his mask pretty early on, and we are just supposed to assume that no one noticed his face plus his traitor uniform? Weak.

-The seer randomly betrays the humans’ biggest secret? Also, she’s irritating. Also, out of left field.

-What happened to suicide being a Cylon sin? Why can Cavil kill himself left and right and be a dooky atheist but the entire human race has to suffer and die for some esoteric religious difference?

-Sharon just KNEECAPS No.3? How is that supposed to prevent three from crawling out to warn the Cylons about the invasion almost immediately? Megadumb.

There are also so many conversations and explanations of things that are just missing. Why doesn’t Baltar ever ask the Cylons what the fucking deal is, what the point of what they are doing is? They talk about bringing god’s love and everything, but don’t seem to be doing anything about it. None of it makes any sense. Boomer and Caprica Six definately make no sense: we first see them resolving to change things for the better, but they seem to have completely lost all purpose and motivation and just seem aimless. What did Caprica Six have to give up to be with Baltar as she claims? What does SHE think the purpose of things as they are is?

The first gunfire while Cally was running was the toasters shooting at Boomer and the resistance guys. The second where she got tackled did not occur in the cliff hanger.

Ooh, a chance to do an annoying, point-by-point post. I’m skipping the first one, because I too think the excessive flashback was poorly structured.

Apollo took out a Centurion on the Galactica with a pistol. Helo took out several Centurions with his pistol. It’s been pretty clear that the Colonies lost the war with the Cylons because (1) Baltar is an idiot, and (2) the dropped atom bombs on the Colonial cities. The Centurions were mop-up, and the only time we’ve seen them win they were prepared and on the offensive (as on Kobol).

Have you ever seen pictures of old-time mining camps? The place that they landed probably was lush and inviting. They turned it into a dustbowl by building their ramshackle town there.

What happened to Jammer is that he ran off into a future episode. This was Part I (of II). The storyline isn’t over, yet.

Also, she’s someone that only D’Anna has ever seen. Given both Baltar and Six, we really have no reason to think that she’s an actual person at this point in time.

This makes no sense. Cavil can kill himself because he’s not following the Cylon religion, wherein suicide is apparently a sin. The entire human race has to suffer and die because Cavil (and Doral, apparently) are annoyed and angry after dying and respawning so many times – just like ‘Scar’ got all mean and nasty after Starbuck blew him up a dozen times. That’s probably another side-effect of the Cylon resurrection process.

Maybe Boomer wants D’Anna to crawl out and warn the Cylons about the invasion?

Very.

With explosive rounds, which were required. And he needed a head-shot. It’s clear the Centurions were updated fairly early in the series, yet somehow these upgrades just vanished. At any rate, only headshots work with small arms. Other hits just ricochet off, maybe detach an limb or whatever. Centurions are pretty fast. The idea that a whole line of them could be taken out by a pair of snipers in a couple of seconds is simply ludicrous. There’s no way around it.

No. Before they even landed a number of characters commented on how harsh the climate was on New Caprica, so harsh that only the promise of getting the frak out of a spaceship after the better part of a year made it seem attractive. Plus the planet has a nebula around it which completely obscures all DRADIS signatures, making it an ideal hiding place from Cylon pursuit. In fact, if it weren’t for this latter attribute, the planet probably wouldn’t have been considered as anything more than a rest-stop. Add to this the flight-level shots of the town “One year later…” showing bleak terrain as far as the horizon. There’s no way around it: The planet is supposed to be barely-habitable, and everything about the shantytown and its environs is consistent with that. The canyon scene shitcans that entire premise, which was an incredibly poor move on the part of the writers and directors.

Either way it’s absurd. What, there’s an entire tent full of oracular paraphernalia that only one copy of 3 sees? So she’s standing there in an empty space talking to herself, à la Baltar and his imaginary 6? Or she’s dreaming it all? If that’s the case, the writers blow harder than we thought.

Everybody’s wrong on this. Cavill can euthanize himself because he’ll be resurrected in less than a day. The body dies, but the mind lives on. There have been Cylon “suicides” since the beginning, from Raiders to a copy of Doral with an explosive belt. They don’t “die” in any conventional sense, so it’s not sinful. Now, if there’s no Resurrection Ship nearby, or, in the case of humans, you can’t resurrect, that’s an entirely different story. Gina’s self-immolation with the nuke Baltar gave her would undoubtedly be sinful (unless the signal the radiation provided redeemed that act somehow).

Why? I don’t buy that at all. She states clearly that she’s just going to wound 3. I think it’s meant to be some sort of gesture, but it falls pretty goddamn flat conceptually when A) a kneecapped Cylon can surely crawl, and B) 3 is in the frakking data stream. Sharon wouldn’t be idiot enough to think a kneecapping would accomplish anything if the writers weren’t idiot enough to come up with that idea, because it’s clear the Cylons would be able to communicate an emergency through their link with whatever central computer manages the facility, with a voice command easily (just as Sharon opened the appropriate drawer), or perhaps just by thinking about it. What, 3 suddenly appearing was a coincidence? She knew an 8 was opening the drawer the moment she did it because they’re connected. Sharon would have had to count on other Cylons believing her intrusion was the activity of an allied 8, not the Caprica-Sharon turncoat. The moment she’s discovered, that cover is blown completely.

I was under the impression that the cylons were killed with an RPG, the skinjobs with small arms fire.

That’s true of the squad that ambushed Anders & Co., and were rescued by the marines who accompanied Lt. Sharon. And that was perfectly fine. However, the rescue mounted by the Chief and Co. was beyond absurd. I don’t think a firing squad of naked skinjobs could have been taken out that easily, much less a line of Centurions.

I think that’s stretching things a good bit. We were certainly lead to believe the gunshots were from the execution squad–and, if it went down as you suggest, those shots would have been heard (and attracted attention) from the execution squad. Plus, it does nothing to explain the running through forrest vs running across open terrain conflict.

I thought they were the same group of Cylons.

They shot it at the same place on location did they not? Moore seems to indicate that on the podcast. An difference should be to point of view. Things lok differently on the other side of the creek. Wish we had a map. :slight_smile:

Although I didn’t like the flashback editing of the firing squad scene, I’m not going to believe that the Resistance didn’t know exactly what kind of ammo to bring against Centurions. And their firing pattern was not automatic firing – as though they were aiming at target Centurions. In an ambush, a smaller number can take out a larger number; that’s why you stage an ambush.

Also, the firing pattern that ended the season opener was not the Centurion autofire pattern. That, at least, they got right in preparing for the flashback opener of the next episode.

Boomer wasn’t “in the datastream” at all times she was in that building; that was the reason she had to touch the glowy panel when she entered (very reminiscent visually of the original series, BTW). There’s no indiciation there’s some sort of central computer managing the facility, nor any way for D’Anna to do anything other than open drawers by voice command. Big deal. And since we don’t know what Adama’s plan is, we have no way of saying that even if D’Anna could instantaneously tell all the Cylons that Boomer was back, it would have any effect on the plan. Have to wait until this week’s episode.

And we’re clearly meant to think that Boomer was having second- (or third- or fiftieth-) thoughts about betraying the Cylons (again). D’Anna is trying to persuade her, and Boomer goes from saying she’s going to kill D’Anna, to merely going to kneecap her; D’Anna’s persuasion was working on her.

It’s probably a bad sign that my first thought was “killed with an RPG” = bludgeoned to death with the Dungeon Master’s Guide…

Based not only on this episode, but several episodes before, Cylons tend to know key facts universally, and they appear to at least know uncanny model-specific facts across a model. Recall Caprical Sharon “remembering” all kinds of things about her relationship with the Chief, even though her copy had jumped away just days before, and they never had personal contact (so far as we know). This copy “remembered” then-Commander Adama’s decomissioning speech like she was there…because, in a sense, she was. When in their element, or within range somehow, Cylons are aware of a great deal that is clearly shared across some kind of wireless network. Perhaps it requires an initial authentication to reconnect to this network, but there’s an undeniable connection that is established, and Cylons can communicate all kinds of things…if not in real time, at least after downloads and perhaps periodic data dumps (like the time Dianna Biers communicated the content of her “documentary” to the Raider that briefly jumped into range). I could cite all kinds of other examples, but this really should be enough. The handling of Sharon’s infiltration of the Cylong facility on New Caprica was just plain dumb.

Do we even know for sure that the Cylons believe suicide is a sin? Baltar’s converstation with 6 could also mean the Colonials believe suicide is a sin.

Don’t think they could be the same group of Cylons…the group attempting to ambush Boomer got wiped out, and the map that proves Ellen is a traitor was taken from one of their bodies.

No way to claim the differences are merely point of view. The physical characteristics of the terrain are radically different–in the first episode, she’s running near trees, and is still on her feet after the first shots are fired. In the second episode, she’s running across open terrain, and is tackled right as the first shots are fired. Also, in the first episode, Callie is shoved down a sharp incline, which does not seem to exist in the second episode.

Given the low regard the Cylons have for the Colonial religion (“we worship the One True God”“we don’t worhip false idols” etc.), I’d say Baltar 6 is talking about her own god’s attitude. Her open expression of disdain for Colonial religious beliefs would make subsequent appeals to the tenents of those beliefs rather unconvincing, I think, especially since she’s got an uphill battle winning over the skeptical Baltar.

The sharp incline does exist, its the one that Rosilyn and Zarek roll down when the fight begins…

I dont have an issue with where Callie fell, but where and how she was tackled… IMHO, that was a cheap out for the dramatic tension they were supposedly setting up… now had they shown her fall, then get back up again and then get tackled, I could;ve dealt with it… especially if you take the timing of the cliffhangers gunshots (just as the screen went dark) to be the ‘other’ shots against the boomer party… (excpet, iirc, they had already started shooting at them, so that doesnt work either).

To C-plant… there were two distinct groups of Cylons… those with the death squad, and those about to ambush the boomer party… the marines saved the boomer party with an RPG…

Its assumed, since the RPG noise didn’t cause any viewable distraction to the death squad, that those two places were quite a distance apart…

I’ll let the next episode(s) decide this oracle thing… they’ve played with the god/gods things well enough in the past that i’m not too concerned yet.

is it friday yet?

Virtually all your responses seem to rely on amphiboly. I was talking about the FIRST war, in which we ground to a truce.

No, it was the characters themselves that declared that New Caprica was a harsh, forbidding environment, just on this side of habitability. We are never shown any lush forestlands until they suddenly appear on the execution jaunt and resistence meetup.

The problem is not that he ran off, but that no one saw his face. He took off his mask very early on.

I think that’s a really really big stretch given that she has her own tent and goofy religious synbols everywhere. :slight_smile:

Why do none of the others object to his atheism when it’s a life or death thing for the pagan humans?

Again, that’s not what I’m talking about. The Cylons are intolerant of human infidels: intolerant enough to wipe out most of the human race. But Cavil doesn’t even get a lecture on his atheism? Maybe I’m just used to, as an atheist, getting constantly lectured and needled by the religious…

I doubt it. It’s just a plain stupid move on her part, period.

Plus, the idea that the Cylons would have picked the execution spot to be close to where resistence forces were holding a high-level meeting is equally ridiculous. No way were those two events close together.

The sharon thing doesn’t work. Xenabot was maybe a room and a matter of feet away from that supery glowy computer panel. It doesn’t matter if she could mindspeak with others or not. She could crawl. Remember: Sharon walked what appeared to be some distance to get into the facility from Ty’s tent (enough for dramatic toaster bottle smashy attack!). She then walked BACK to the tent and handed him the codes. That was a significant amount of time for a kneecapped Xenabot to crawl for help and sound some sort of alarm that something major was up. It MIGHT have made sense if Sharon had locked her in the room somehow or something, but we don’t see any of that.

Totally new question: if the raiders can jump into the VERY low atmosphere, you suppose Galactica is simply going to pop in right over New Caprica, avoiding having to battle the basestars to get there? Couldn’t the ships on the ground then all jump away without even leaving the atmosphere?

It’s possible they could perform an intra-atmospheric jump out, I guess. Certainly Raptors can jump at least into the upper atmosphere of a planet. I think it’s supposed to be risky, though. Remember they had to hook the Heavy Raider meatbrain up to a Raptor and then have Sharon jack into that to plot the trip back to Caprica that took seven jumps, lost one Rapter on the first, and embedded another inside a mountain on the last. Cylon FTL technology appears to be superior both in terms of distance and accuracy. For Colonial tech., it looks like jumps too close to solid bodies can be perilous. For something as big as the Galactica, I should think the danger of burying half of it in the ground attempting something like that would be pretty high, on the inbound leg. Jumping out? I dunno.

Ya know, I’ve never before particpated in a weekly analysis of a series before. I wasn’t very net savvy back when Babylon 5 started, and never really got into the boards for that kind of thing. I’m really enjoying these threads. It’s cool that there are all sorts of different interpetations of what we all watched…and following the threads adds to the goodness of watching the episodes on Fridays. Thank you all.