I’m not sure Piano Man was really there. Did anybody else see him besides Starbuck? Could he be a Head People?
I’m watching Six on Burn Notice. Evile.
You think Boomer lived through that? Barring Cavil casting a 5th level cleric spell, with no known res tech available…either she pulls a Starbuck and gets a shiny new raptor, or she’s crunchy bread crumbs and scattered circuits…I think.
Yeah…major mind frakking this week. This is gonna be a gooooood BSG thread.
Piano Guy was not really there.
There was a clue last episode, when Kara asked the bartender when he got a piano, and he gave her a funny look.
No one else interacted with Piano Guy this episode.
And then, once Tory, Ellen, and Saul came up and accosted Kara – Piano Guy was suddenly out of the shot, when she’d been looking right at him immediately before that.
Also, I think that his sheet music may have been gone, leaving only Hera’s.
Edit: and, yeah, Boomer and Hera will have lived through that. Not only because it is necessary for the plot, but because all that happened to the Raptor was it got banged up and picked up some spin. The damage happened to Galactica from the aftermath of the Raptor’s jump.
Go back and look at when the breakway tyllium ship jumped out from under a Raptor trying to land on it – the jump caused the adjacent Raptor to tumble away.
I had it at A-…thus the “an”…but I changed the grade when I gave a ding for “which Ellen this week?” and failed to change “an” to “a”…
Agreed, now there’s nothing to tie him to the Galactica, he can go over to the Basestar, he’s going over in disgrace though
Not sure on Rosilin, but yeah, Boomer and Hera are …toast… (sorry, sorry…) and of course when don’t you lose redshirts, that’s what they’re made for…
She’s only Mostly Dead, mortally wounded, serious structural integrity breaches, and they probably have had a major setback to their jump ability, but at some point, she’ll have a catastrophic failure that they don’t have the resources to repair
Yes, that was “Watchtower” from the Season 3 ep “Crossroads”
Dear Og I hope not, too much metaphysical crap already
Agreed, it started slow and boring, extending to the middle only to have a multi-shocker ending, they made it talky enough to start boring the audience, then hits us with a major whammy
Hmmm…now that you mention it…Piano Man didn’t smoke until Starbuck mentioned the smell of tobacco on her father’s breath.
I actually wondered if Kara knew what was up with Piano Guy – and just wouldn’t admit it to herself – when the only thing she took from Helo was that tape of her father’s music.
Which, presumably, had the song he’d been composing which she liked. This show can be subtle enough to do stuff like that.
The feldercarb toothpaste bit made the many hours of watching this and the original series all worth it 
I’ll watch it again tomorrow. I don’t believe Ron Moore and Crowd are that sophisticated.
Hrm… read elsewhere speculation that the song which Kara accuses Piano Guy of plagerizing was this.
Which I didn’t catch, but which would be awesome.
That certainly explains the ressurections not going quite right…if only they had macs…
The Chief is screwed. No way they don’t connect Boomer’s escape to him, and no way do they believe he didn’t have anything to do with snatching Hera. He really should’ve went with Boomer. I don’t think the Cylons will forgive him for losing Hera.
Starbuck’s dad’s song being “All Along the Watchtower” looks like pretty strong proof that he’s Daniel. I guess Anders programed that one.
IF it turns out that Starbuck is actually a Cylon/Human hybrid and actually predates Hera, it may explain not only her “resurrection”, but how she was, for a while, the “best <fill in the blank> in the fleet” in seasons 1 and 2
on rewatching the ep, it looks like the news of Hera’s and Boomer’s death have been greatly exaggerated, Boomer’s raptor jumped away after hitting Galactica’s hull…
Frakkin’ hit-and-run Toasters, she didn’t even have the decency to stop and exchange insurance info, bet she’ll have trouble getting her ToasterCare insurance policy renewed…
Well if the series does go to hell, on the one hand I’ll understand it since the theme of the show has pretty much been about human misery, but on the other I probably would not buy the DVDs. I know that seems cheap, but after 4 seasons I want at least something to end well, and it all to have meaning. A lot of this show was about destiny, purpose, and an overall plan, and if it ended badly I’m not sure I could go along with it.
So maybe they considered this when they wrote the final episodes…or maybe they’ll go the artistic “everybody dies” route, but I really hope not. Sometimes it’s ok to go the conventional happy ending route.
Since when has the re-imagined BSG ever had a “happy” ending?, TPTB love to have the characters wallow in misery, heck, the series started with the total thermonuclear genocide of the Human race and went downwards from there…
'aint no happy endings in the BSG-Verse…
…and that’s why I like it, I hate sci-fi series that take place in a squeaky clean utopia where everyone gets along and there are magical unicorns and bunnies and targs (yes, I’m looking at YOU ST-TNG) or shows with liberal use of the “Reset Button” (TNG and Voy)
Give me Babylon 5, Farscape, re-imagined BSG, Doctor Who, Torchwood, heck, even Lexx, over the formulaic happy-happy-joy-joy world of the Roddenberryverse
Well…one issue raised early on was whether humanity deserves to survive. Maybe the answer is no. I could live with that.
But that is the problem with this hypothesis: it explains neither of these.
Kara’s return was nothing at all like the Cylon resurrections we’ve seen. She showed up out of nowhere in a spooky new Viper with no memories of how she got there, while her body meanwhile got teleported lightyears from someplace different, to Earth. Cylon tech doesn’t do that stuff.
And Hera is showing no signs of being “the best damn” anything in the fleet. She draws pictures, and has visions. Kara draws pictures. So does Ellen. And in this fleet, if you’re not having visions you have to realize that you’re a secondary character and not long for this world, anyway.
Furthermore, I have faith that the writers have once again set up a too-obvious-though-it-looks-clever fakeout, as they have been wont to do before.
Wait…if humanity doesn’t survive…and you live…OH MY GODS–you’re a frackin’ Cylon!!!
Marines! Airlock this toaster!
Actually, she played him like a piano. My viewing companion and I watched the episode twice, back to back, and the deliberate thematic resonance was unmistakable. The episode certainly has a talky beginning and a slow-burn build, but on second watch, everything hangs together, and you can see how carefully the script has been constructed.
And it’s also remarkable to think back two episodes, when we were guessing that Cavil was playing Boomer, manipulating her sympathies by having her sit in on the interrogation, intending for her to help Ellen escape to the fleet, for purposes then unknown; when actually, now, it turns out that Cavil was playing Ellen, giving her a plausible reason to believe Boomer wanted to return to the fleet for non-nefarious purposes. You can imagine the scene with Cavil: “Okay, Boomer, here’s the deal. I’m going to bring you in while I grill Ellen. You’ll pretend to start having doubts, and when we’re ready you’ll act like you’ve lost faith in me and are betraying me. As soon as you get back to the fleet, grab Hera at your first opportunity and get back here. Got it? Good.” Heck of a reversal; I don’t think anybody saw it coming.
Now the only question is: Why does Cavil want Hera?