I’ve wondered for a long time how the cylons managed to create the skin job models (or rebel in the first place) if the centurions, raiders, and other models weren’t sentient. I guess they were sentient all along, just had an inhibitor chip.
So, yeah, the skin jobs are likely to find themselves in a similar situation as the original human colonists if the machine versions rebel.
It doesn’t look like Ron thought out the Cylon numbering plan very well. Until this episode I thought that Tigh, Anders, Tyrol, & Tory would turn out to be numbers 9-12 and the final Cylon would actually be number One.
This is going to be a really, *really * *stupid * question, but I’m gonna expose myself to ridicule and ask it anyway.
Is there objective proof that Tigh, Anders, Tyrol, & Tory really are toasters? I mean - they heard the music, came to a conclusion and there’s no doubt the four believe they’re toasters.
But I can’t remember a confirmation of the fact that is within the bounds of the narrative, other than that they think so themselves.
What, and those chrome toasters can’t get a hold of their own screwdrivers? 
Charlie, you’re right, but then they *all * realized the same horrible thing at once.
alphaboi, I’m just glad Moore resisted the temptation to cast Patrick McGoohan as a Six who would demand to know “Who is Number One?”
I think she figured, because she was a Cylon, she wouldn’t feel anything. Then, when she was crying, she tried to play it off, saying, “Oh, maybe I’m just a Cylon.” I don’t think she expected to have an emotional reaction to screwing Baltar, nor did she expect Baltar to say what he said about Cylons having real feelings. By the end, she seemed to be digging him. It never ceases to amaze me how he wins over women.
So…the show is most likely just setting up Lee to take over for Roslin after she dies, right?
“All this has happened before, it will happen again”
Ron Moore and Co. are definitely setting up the potential for a Toaster Civil War…
Was anyone else eagerly awaiting one of the Mechanicals to utter a cold, mechanical, synthesized “By Your Command” in response to NewSix?
I think Roslin is going to position the elder Adama as her successor. Zarek, her nominal VP, will never lead the Fleet and he knows it.
Yes, yes, yes! I was totally disappointed that they didn’t say that. I’ve also been waiting for slightly more than three seasons to see some sort of conehead Cylon like in the old series. We’ve got the raiders (now their own being, not a three-crewed machine), the Centurions, but no coneheads.
Same point there ever is to killing one of 'em – to punctuate the point they’re making.
After all, that model just killed will soon wake up in a vat on a Resurrection Ship, anyway. They’ll be back.
All of the copies of one model probably choose of of their number to be on the Basestar’s council – and we’ve seen that there is a council on each Basestar, comprised of the models on that Basestar.
It’s still kind of murky how much copies of one model share memories amongst themselves – both Boomer and Athena have talked about memories that only Boomer should have. So even if they don’t resurrect the council-model of Cavil that they just killed, it’s likely that there’ll be another one indistinguishable from him soon on the council, anyway. Unless they box 'em all. Which seems unlikely.
Plus, in addition to shooting them to make the point that they’re no longer in charge, you gotta think the Centurions are pissed at being lobotomized (or whatever the robot equivalent of “pissed” is). They were going to want to shoot someone anyway – that’s what they were built for, after all.
My thought was that they’re setting him up to be the Lorne Green Adama – Commander of a BattleStar, member of the Quorum.
The “conehead” Cylons were IL-series Cylons (IL = “Imperious Leader”), like Lucifer (and Specter/Spectre).
Lucifer was re-imaged into Six: the Cylon who hangs around Baltar and makes snarky and sarcastic comments about his goofy plans.
Presumably, as the IL-series were the Cylon leadership, as a whole they’re re-imaged as the skinjobs. The ones we haven’t seen are the (gold) command Centurions.
I just find it funny, that after the talk of the conehead Cylons in this thread, I see this ad at the bottom of the page:
I was awaiting them to say something that revealed their intelligence. I thought they may say, “We agree with the Sixes,” or something along those lines.
I think it’d be cool for them to get a vote now, since they represent the Cylons as well as the humanoids.
By the way, I give huge props to Dean Stockwell for delivering the cheesy lines they make him give. They use him consistently to modify human phrases for joke purposes.
“I"m machine enough to admit…”
“Take me to your leader…”
Commands might no longer work on sentient Janissary toasters, newly aware of their low social caste and not necessarily willing to stay in it (plus, they’re better armed and armored than the meatbags, if it comes down to that).
CapSix included a “Please” in her request to them to open fire, remember?
What’s interesting is that we don’t know how long this process takes…it’s never been defined, nor do we have any real information to base an assumption on. Maybe the Cavills will be relevant, maybe they’ll be too late to the show.
I always thought that an elegant way to address this would be to demonstrate that the resurrected could be duplicated via the resurrection process - why revive just one, and not multiple at once? The memories would persist in multiple entities, so some would share knowledge/memories (the created/resurrected), and some would not (those that remain alive for periods of time). Even better, combine the "group"memory in every resurrection - all new knowledge would be incremental to the latest revived Cylon(s), and the latest resurrected Cylon(s) would know the most. It would be a very effective way to evolve and grow the species and impart generational knowledge and experience, and also explain the dissention and different perspectives in each model (think Boomer in this latest episode). It SHOULD be this way by design (at least from a machine perspective - disposing knowledge/“data” would be illogical (or a sin).
Maybe the Cylons’ weakness is this “system” - while it would have the potential to make them the dominate species, its this “Tree of Knowledge” that will be their downfall. It kinda makes sense - given their history they would value sentience/knowledge as it was what made them cognizant and self-realizing, so by design they seek it at ALL costs…and we’re beginning to see the flipside of that.
BSG may be a Biblical allegory.
Adama said to Starbuck “Helo hand-picked a crew for you.” Missed that when I watched it without closed-captioning. I plan to watch it with captioning activated from now on.
I must say, considering that the only other shows I’ve watched this season are Lost and Heroes, it’s extremely refreshing that so far, none of the characters on Galactica this season have made me cringe at their stupidity or groan at how tremendously out-of-character they’re being.
Kudos (for now), I say.
Yeah, captioning helps a lot.
I’m just re-watching it now. Lazy Sunday. So. we haven’t talked about this specifically, but it’s the Sixes, Leobons and Sharons who removed the higher function inhibitors from the Centurions. Thoughts as to why these three?
Aren’t they the 3 who could be said to be most interested in a human/Cylon hybrid? And all 3 of them have had romantic (or pseudo-romantic) relationships with humans. They are the most humanitarian, interested in peace and reconciliation between the races. The Cavils definitely seem anti-human, and the one Simon character we saw wasn’t very nice to them either. Doral has been known to be unpleasantly genocidal. The Boomer version of Number 8 has shown signs of turning against humanity, even wanting to kill Hera and no longer pursue the hybridization.
Thus, it seems like the 2’s, 6’s, and most of the 8’s are pro-humanity and hybrids. Does this mean they’re anti-tyranny and the wholesale harm of sentient beings? That’s my theory.