I enjoyed this episode, quite a few ‘holy shit’ moments: Roslin actually pulling the trigger, Baltar’s inner Baltar, and the Centurions not answering Cavill’s orders.
I love this show.
I would chalk it up to them not having thought of the whole final five thing when Boomer’s number was revealed early in the series. But then they could have easily left #1 to the final cylon instead of Cavil. Do we have any evidence that the number is related to when they were built? They could have all been built at the same time. Further complicating this is the whole “temple of the five” business. Were the five around when the temple was built, or was it built in anticipation, as a kind of prophesy? Or were the cylons modeled after the Lord of Kobol, and so the temple of five refers to five of them?
I’m way behind on the thread, but did anyone else notice, when they were originally speculating on The Five, they were all excited about ‘the wonder they have seen’ and the like?
Further, it seems like the Seven are afraid of killing The Five…
-Joe
Yeah, well, I figured there had to be a plan beyond just the fun of gunning them down.
-Joe
I don’t recall - did the dissenting Number 8 (Boomer) survive?
The cylons don’t merely say “the five”. They speak of “the final five”. The word “final” implies “came into existence last”, I believe.
IIRC, it was Cavil, two Dorals, and a Simon. Boomer wasn’t on the Basestar council, anyway.
And… doesn’t really matter. One of the previews looked like someone being woken up in a Resurrection Ship tub. These are Cylons, after all.
Couple things:
If, hypothetically, a whole lot of Cavil/#1s and other Cylons were mowed down at the same time (offscreen), then the resurrection-ship facilities are going to be backed up for a while. We learned in “Downloaded,” after the cafe was bombed, that the process takes a while and the facilities can’t handle a limitless load. Depending on the body count, it could be hours or days, or longer, before specific Cylons return from the tanks, especially if they’ve saved those targets until later in order to have others queued up before them. Since none of the Cylons who were shot will die permanently, all that’s being accomplished here is the opening of a window of time. Perhaps (and later episodes may or may not bear this out) they’re deliberately getting the opposition out of the way for a short period in order to carry out some other element of their plan.
Or, alternatively, it’s just a TV show, and shooting machine guns is cool. 
Actually, she didn’t. I watched this three times over the weekend (I have many friends who are into the show, and come over to my house to watch on my giant projection screen; it’s tough to coordinate schedules so I almost invariably see each episode several times). She never tells them to shoot. She says the Centurions were displeased when they learned what was being done to the Raiders, then the Doral model says “oh no,” then the Cylons bolt and the Centurions mow them down.
You may be misremembering the “please” that appears in the preview for next week, which implies the Centurions will be less than inclined to cooperate even with the Sixes who led the effort to free them.
Edit to add new thought, combining the two separate observations above: Since the Six doesn’t give an order to shoot, maybe it wasn’t her deliberate intent to have those Cylons killed. Maybe she brought the Centurions in only as a threat, and the executions happened as the situation got out of hand. She has a fairly pained expression as the smoke clears after the killings.
There’s the scene where Anders is in his Viper, the Raider flips around, slowly scans him with its red eye, and Ander’s iris flashes red in response. It’s not just a reflection - the rest of his eye & skin stays normal, so it’s definitely something in response to the Raider.
I saw the same thing. And also, unless there’s some other kind of higher power, or some new entity besides humans and Cylons, nothing is going to be able to get four people telepathically to hear the same song and go to the same place.
Regarding the Centurions, one thing I thought was (hopefully a deliberate) nice touch was the way they kept looking to Six almost like a parent figure. Sure, they very recently got a higher level of sentience and free will, but they were still looking to Six in a sort of “is this okay mommy?” way.
Like children though, that approval-seeking isn’t going to last long.
Regarding the Basestar Massacre, it was Cavill, 2 Dorals, and 2 Simons.
So, does anyone have any speculation regarding the Final Five? One of the Eights, when they were discussing it, said something like “the things they must have seen”. Anyone with CC on have any specific words?
Why were the Five taken out of Cylon memories? Why do half the meatbags act all awed by the Five while the rest act all scared of even mentioning them?
Hell, why was D’Anna so sorry for ripping out Tigh’s eye when, if he’s a Cylon, he’ll grow a new one once he dies?
It wouldn’t be hard to find out about the Five if there were Resurrection Ships or Centers stocked with Tyrols and Anders. So, I don’t think they work like the rest of them. Also, unless it’s something odd, I don’t see “Final Five” meaning “The Last Five to Be Created”…UNLESS it was something like:
“I, the Cylon Creator, have created you seven models. Three, try not to be too batty. Anyways, no, Six, spit that out right now! Anyways, as I was saying, I’m going Off Into The Universe. When I am out there I will Create Five More Models to bring the number of my Blessed Cylon Children up to the sacred number of Twelve. However, if you guys go looking for them, or even TALK about them, I’m going to get so mad that none of you will ever get dessert ever again. So don’t. I mean it. Or else.”
No way the Final Five came last, unless it’s something we can’t anticipate, like the bit above.
-Joe
I dunno, we got visions of arrows and snakes. Baltar sees some weird stuff. The writers each have a Poetic License. 
Wasn’t there and argument between Cavil and 6 about where the Final Five were? She was saying that they were in the fleet, and Cavil said, no way they’re among the humans. That seems curious, considering that at least 4 of them ARE among the humans AND were unaware of their Cylon nature until recently. Why would Cavil be so sure there was no chance they were with humans? Or was he just saying that to throw his opponents off the scent?
At some point, the 5 must have left the Cylon community and disappeared. No one knows where they are and they’re not supposed to think about them… in fact, Cavil believes that thinking about them harms Cylon society. Maybe the schism that caused their departure was due to some very dangerous beliefs on their part? Or they had knowledge of or proof of something that would destroy Cylon society if it were revealed? I’m not sure what that could be, though.
What if they aren’t allowed to resurrect anymore? If they were booted from Cylon society, or left in a controversial and adversarial way, maybe there aren’t anymore copies of their bodies to download into?
Then why use the adjective “Final”? If they weren’t that last 5 made, then in what way are they final?
The final 5 revealed to the audience.
The final 5 still unknown to the humans.
The final 5 out of the twelve known models, seven of which are still a part of cylon society.
They are called The Final Five by the other Cylons, not just by the audience.
Then the question is, were they always called The Final Five, or was that name recently applied to them? Because up until very recently, NONE of the humanoid Cylons were known to the humans. If the Cylons have been referring to them as The Final Five all along, before the Cylon War when the other 7 were revealed to the humans, then your explanation doesn’t work. I guess the question is, to whom are they final? To humans, finally revealed? To Cylons, the final models created?
Final in what way though? That’s what people are wondering. The preview said, “All will be revealed,” so this is something we’ll have to wait and see.
I think “final five” is one of those inadvertent coinings that doesn’t bear thinking too deeply about.
Goes like this:
On New Caprica, our heroes saw seven human humanoid Cylons.
Baltar knew (because Six told him) that there are twelve models.
He did the math.
He asked: “Who are the final five?” with final, in this context, meaning “remaining” rather than some sort of mystical capital-F final.
The show’s writers, while planning future episodes, started using the phrase “final five” among themselves as a bit of shorthand.
That phrase then began appearing in the scripts as the same sort of shorthand for regular viewers.
After enough repetition, it took on its own sort of life, and “final five” became “Final Five.”
… Even though, clearly, “final” doesn’t really mean anything concrete, if at least one of the five preceded one of the known models somehow (per the numbering of the “Eight”).
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Fairy Of Misdirection*?
I saw that scene too, and while it hints that the Raider held back [del][for some unknown reason][/del] to save a fellow toaster, there is still no hard evidence that Anders is, in fact, a Cylon.
Looking back through the seasons, it’s quite obvious that RDM uses the FOM frequently to build suspense and drama.
Four Cylon haters hearing some music and winding up in the same place saying - wups, we gotta be toasters - is not enough proof. It’s only circumstantial
*FOM
No hard evidence, but lots of circumstantial.
Now that Anders is (presumably) awakened, we seen him unable to kill a Raider.
We’ve seen the Raider stop and scan him, rather than shoot him
After the scan, the Cylon fleet broke off the attack, presumably because their Raiders suddenly wouldn’t fight
Cylons on the fleet come to the conclusion that the Raiders won’t fight because the Final Five are in the Human Fleet
I’d say the weight of evidence is pretty stacked in the “Anders is a Cylon” corner.
How about this? The Final Five are actually the FINAL FIVE. Two possibilities I like her. One is that they’re the last five of each of their models. The rest of their line got boxed and they were exiled for unsafe revolutionary ideas - like making peace with the humans.
The other one, which I like a bit more, is that they’re the “Final Five” of the Cylons from the LAST time this happened. All this has happened before and will happen again - and see, having the Final Five (previously known as the Lords of Kobol - remember them?) is how we KNOW that.
-Joe
[fanwank] Perhaps the 5 lines of cylons in question were to be boxed, but one copy of each line escaped. While each line is not “final”, each individual is the “final” copy of their line. This would mean that there had been an earlier conflict within cylon society, in which the seven basestar-dwelling models prevailed. The Cavils may then have organized some sort of mass memory wipe to prevent further disunity from taking hold.
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