[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves]
Was anyone else looking for the figurine of Ganesha on the Baltar Altar?
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I’m dense. Could you explain this to me?
[QUOTE=Cervaise]
Starbuck’s back. Adama wants to trust her but can’t. Roslin absolutely refuses. Baltar’s headlong into his new life. Not many surprises on these fronts.
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This kind of surprised me. Other than the Adama having a personal connection with Starbuck, I’d expect things to be the other way around. Roslin was the one that was having the visions, and sent Starbuck off on a special Religious mission to get the magic arrow.
[QUOTE=Cervaise]
Tigh observing that the Cylon detector doesn’t work (because, after all, he should know, right?).
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Especially interesting because it did work on Boomer, but Baltar lied about it, but it didn’t work on him. These four must be special somehow. I’d say they must be special anyway because they have personal histories, but I guess Boomer had some fake implanted memories. Do any of them have blood relatives besides the Chief’s baby?
[QUOTE=Mahaloth]
So what was Tigh implying when he took his gun out and put it on the desk? Was he saying they should all stop carrying guns in case they have a “kill Adama” trigger? Or was he suggesting they kill themselves?
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My take on it was that they were promising each other that if any of them was about to do some evil cylon thing or showing signs of being under cylon influence that the others would kill them.
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant]
When Galactica networks computers to calculate a long jump, the Cylons successfully infiltrate her systems. 
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Actually, the virus had entered the system a couple of episodes earlier, during the last Cyon attack. Networking the computers simply spread it throughout the ship’s various systems.
[QUOTE=jackdavinci]
I’d expect things to be the other way around. Roslin was the one that was having the visions, and sent Starbuck off on a special Religious mission to get the magic arrow.
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Well, if Roslin had any kind of assurance that this Starbuck is actually the real Starbuck, I’m confident she’d go right along with the Earth story. But clearly she’s decided that, whoever this is, it isn’t the person in whom she placed responsibility for that quest. So, her behavior isn’t really a surprise to me, I guess.
[QUOTE=MMI]
The Cylons didn’t need their wi-fu. All colonial fleet ships were refit with a software upgrade which contained a backdoor for the Cylons to disable their systems. The systems themselves were fine, once the software was fixed (witness the Pegasus, or any modern viper after the initial attack). Galactica and her old school vipers were being decommissioned - a refit for her was throwing money away (her modern vipers which were launched got slaughtered). Pegasus was in the process of receiving the upgrades but work was not complete.
No treknobabble required. The Cylons had a fifth - err sixth column at work.
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Yes, there’s also the possibility that, much like my superhightech office, they actually had the cables hidden, rather than WHERE YOU’LL TRIP ON THEM. But, some people just feel the need to bitch about shows, rather than watch them.
-Joe
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach]
Ron Moore said that the Final Cylon was not among the characters there
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Did he count copies? 
I think the 12th Cylon is behind the activation of the final four (music, recognition of who they are) and I also think that this final being is controlling the visions from Baltar of Number 6 (an angel sent from God to show you the way). And also manipulated the visions of that other Cylon dude that psycoanalized Starbuck and took her through the Great Beyond. I think these mind infiltrations have more power than merely psychological, hence Starbuck’s and Baltar’s survival when it could not have been possible.
Tigh is absolutely right in saying that these four are different from Boomer in that she didn’t know about her programing until after she shot Adama. They, however, have been made aware and therefore should be able to make choices like Sharon has done.
Just thought of something -
That Vipen eye-scan thing Anders went through: everyone’s assuming it was him receiving orders from the Cylons, or transferring data back to the Baseships. Maybe it was the other way around, and the Cylons have some trapdoor programming that forces them to obey the directives of the Final Five? Maybe Anders was (unconsciously, of course) ordering the Cylons to stand down?
[QUOTE=Alessan]
Just thought of something -
That Vipen eye-scan thing Anders went through: everyone’s assuming it was him receiving orders from the Cylons, or transferring data back to the Baseships. Maybe it was the other way around, and the Cylons have some trapdoor programming that forces them to obey the directives of the Final Five? Maybe Anders was (unconsciously, of course) ordering the Cylons to stand down?
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That’s what I assumed from the start. From my way of thinking, it’s confirmed by the “upcoming scenes” blip where the Three is demanding that the Raiders no longer be lobotomized.
[QUOTE=Oslo Ostragoth]
I’m dense. Could you explain this to me?
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The gaudy colors and lights, in a tabletop display. made me think of a Hindu shrine like you might see in a motel office, that’s all.
Alessan and zakalwe, I like that idea very much indeed.
Upon further thought, that would prove Starbuck is *not * the last model. Raiders had encountered her many times without recognizing her as anything special. But the first time they ran into one of The Frakked Four in battle, they disengaged (it wasn’t clear if the basestars had ordered it or if the Raiders did it themselves). It wouild also mean that the Final Five are higher-ranking than even the meatbags.
The Raiders are so low on the sentience scale that they don’t even qualify as one of the models, but they can recognize the Five and their importance while the meatbags can’t. But then, dogs can hear and smell things that humans cannot, they can recognize their human masters, and they observe a strict ranking system too, so why not?
Just FTR, did Apollo’s gun-camera footage from last season show Starbuck’s Viper breaking up or didn’t it?
[QUOTE=Zakalwe]
That’s what I assumed from the start.
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And I, or that they are programed to not attack them.
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves]
Upon further thought, that would prove Starbuck is *not * the last model. Raiders had encountered her many times without recognizing her as anything special. But the first time they ran into one of The Frakked Four in battle, they disengaged (it wasn’t clear if the basestars had ordered it or if the Raiders did it themselves). It wouild also mean that the Final Five are higher-ranking than even the meatbags.
The Raiders are so low on the sentience scale that they don’t even qualify as one of the models, but they can recognize the Five and their importance while the meatbags can’t. But then, dogs can hear and smell things that humans cannot, they can recognize their human masters, and they observe a strict ranking system too, so why not?
Just FTR, did Apollo’s gun-camera footage from last season show Starbuck’s Viper breaking up or didn’t it?
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It showed her fighter pretty much coming apart at the seams - I don’t recall if it had a good shot of the cockpit to tell whether or not she might have ejected.
As for the Final Five and Frakked Four…
Anders, surely, came face-to-face during his couple years of firefights against Centurions on Caprica, we know the Chief has done so on Kobol if nothing else, and I have a hard time believing Tigh never did in the last war, seeing as how he was a Marine, IIRC.
That being said, they didn’t know at the time they were Cylons - so, their brain switch might not have been flipped. Once their brain is aware of their dual nature, they have access (even subconsciously) to new ‘powers’, including influence over primitive Cylon models like Raiders.
Now, if someone has any idea why the Cylon Raider bothered with its sweep-eye scan rather than just blowing him away, I’m all (swooping) eyes.
-Joe
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant]
And I, or that they are programed to not attack them.
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Ah, but that requires…
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The Raider knowing Anders was One Of Them
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Centurions not knowing, since they shot at Anders, Tigh, and Tyrol many times
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A reason Opal made me forget
-Joe
[QUOTE=Merijeek]
Ah, but that requires…
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I’m gonna have to pay more attention when I edit this to burn it to DVD.
Seems odd that the Raider would get close enough to see his eyes with out shooting…maybe they’ve got Technovision™ or something.
[QUOTE=Merijeek]
Ah, but that requires…
2) Centurions not knowing, since they shot at Anders, Tigh, and Tyrol many times
-Joe
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Didn’t Boomer tell Blanders and the rest of the insurgents back on Caprica (or was it New Caprica) that the Mechanicals can’t tell the Meatbags apart?
I’m fully expecting that this season is not going to clear up all the unanswered questions, such as “What is the Model Six in Baltar’s Head?” Part of the underlying message of the show is that being human is messy and often inexplicable. I fully expect lots of things to be left unexplained.
[QUOTE=MacTech]
Didn’t Boomer tell Blanders and the rest of the insurgents back on Caprica (or was it New Caprica) that the Mechanicals can’t tell the Meatbags apart?
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Sure, but she just meant that they couldn’t tell “Bad Adama Shooting Sharon” from “Working With Humans Boomer”.
-Joe
[QUOTE=MacTech]
Didn’t Boomer tell Blanders and the rest of the insurgents back on Caprica (or was it New Caprica) that the Mechanicals can’t tell the Meatbags apart?
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Yes. But, really, who can tell the skinjobs apart? Each of the models looks like the others of that model type. The toasters only have six skinjobs to keep track of – if they recognize an Eight, they wouldn’t have to know which Eight it is.
[QUOTE=Lightray]
Yes. But, really, who can tell the skinjobs apart? Each of the models looks like the others of that model type. The toasters only have six skinjobs to keep track of – if they recognize an Eight, they wouldn’t have to know which Eight it is.
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It’s actually 7 skinjobs; Three, Six, Eight, Leoban, Dorel, Simon, & Cavil. And apparently they can tell different versions of the same model apparent. Remember how Three only took a few seconds to recognize Sharon on New Caprica?