An error before or after she discovered they’d been set up (by Gina)?
The true cost of the error was after the setup was ‘unleashed’ - going after an ‘insignificant’ outpost just to show the cylons that they had survived/wanted revenge was the initial error - had they not done that, Gina’s setup wouldnt have cost them anything. (atleast not then).
I was under the impression they couldn’t withdraw and save their vipers. You’re saying they could have and she did it for vengeance, “just for spite” as my Grandmother would say?
They could’ve not started the initial attack - or -
Once found out that it was a trap, they should’ve withdrawn - even the loss of the initial vipers would’ve been much less a loss than what they sustained by staying. After all, she wasn’t commanding the spartans.
She stayed for ‘vengence’…
I think we were to have inferred that once Caine realized her hit-and-run had been ambushed in turn, that jumping out immediately would have cost the Pegasus the Vipers they’d already committed. And probably damage to Pegasus as well. For no gain, and probably completely destroying her crew’s morale.
I think what Adama should have explained, but for poor writing, was that Caine knew she needed a victory at any cost, or her vengeance campaign was dead before it began. Everything she had done – the vengeance speech over the speakers, shooting her XO – was to get her crew moving on her plan of guerilla warfare.
And that’s a plan that Adama agreed with, which are the tactics he’s talking about when he said she made no mistakes. Remember that he acknowledged that it was only having Roslyn pestering him that got him off the path of military, tactical thinking himself.
He didn’t say “she made no mistakes”, he said “tactically, she made no mistakes”. Obviously, we as the viewers know that the mistake she made was thinking tactically in the first place, rather than thinking about the survival of the human race (as Roslyn and Adama did).
I’m usually not a fan of speechifying when character action would better serve, but they needed a bit more exposition on that bit.
edit: what I couldn’t figure out is why Caine didn’t immediately figure out that they had a traitor in their midst – it was so obviously a set-up trap for them, but when Shiny New Girl is all “oooh, traitor!” Caine dismisses it all, instead of being “nah, she’s good; must be somebody else.”
Man, what? Did Roslyn loan you some of her whacky weed? 'Cause while Apollo and Anders and Tyrol may be ineffectual girly men, there’s no way Adama and Tigh can be put into that category. And Adama was all over this one, doing penisy things.
This far in, it’s time to get over the [Austin Powers]“Starbuck is a man, baby”[/AP] thing.
I see what you are saying, but it’s not like she is a Viper pilot, she’s an Admiral, understanding and implementing strategic plans should be part of the CV.
Add to her “non-mistakes” the shooting of, forced abduction of and theft from Colonial civvies, when she has 800 or so vacant bunks was just stupid, meant to drive really cute chick with the hot accent into a righteous suicide mission and providing Apollo and Starbuck yet another point to be conflicted over.
Yeah, any man old enough to be my grandfather can do stuff.
Lee actually tried to make a decision, to nuke the base star with his team still on board. But daddy steps up and says hey those balls are getting a little big for you. Let me trim them back. The only decisive thing Lee does is at the very end when he mearly implies that in his log, he will note Shaw’s crimes.
This particular movie and the show in general, has completly made all male characters under 40 to be absoulte weak willed, no brains idiots. Duped by the cylons, easily lead around by sex. While the young women in the show are running all the action. Basically Apollo had his ship run by Kara and Shaw. What did we see him do? Besides hire Shaw, and ask some vague questions about what she did. Why would Lee order Starbuck, instead of ‘useless nuk tech’ to set off the bomb, if not to show what a bad decision maker Lee is. Of course he got over-ridden by a woman, so it turned out OK. Why did Kara and Shaw both went on the mission to the base star? Oh so we can have a good bye scene take directly form ST II tWoK with the glass between them. I swear, Starbuck was about to say how much she loved Shaw, even though she spent most of the ‘film’ hating her guts. (because we’re so much alike! or because Shaw was a recycled Starbuck)
The people on the freighter were idiots. If they are taking the FTL drives, then they are killing you. You will not live. You will either starve to death in space, run out of air, or be found by the cylons. They should have fought to the last person.
This entire film was really pretty bad. This was supposed to get me excited about BSG, after the long wait and keep me going till it finally does come back? The whole thing felt phoned in by everyone involved.
So… don’t watch it.
I was annoyed that Adama stopped Lee from firing the nuke, but later said, “It’s your call”.
One presumes they divided their crew, passengers and remaining supplies among other vessels.
There are not enough roll eyes for that plot point.
Maybe the point of this episode was to show how every single human gave up their humanity and became a murderer, a weakling, an excuse-maker or whatever else have you so that Starbuck v2.0 can return as a Lord of Kobol and restore humanity’s dignity and purpose. If so I also hope she can bring back a brain for each and every one of them. And possibly a secondary detonator in case there is another failure the next time they send people to board a Base ship.
That’s not what was said to the people on board.
One would presume incorrectly. Commander Ro (sorry Kane) made it clear that only trained people would be taken, the rest would be left to die. They would strip the ships of any needed parts, including all FTL drives. The Pegasus did not form a ‘fleet’ of ships. Any civilian ship they encounted, they pirated off the people and parts they wanted and left the rest.
I missed that.
She’ll always be “Ensign Ro” to me. That was the name of her debut episode in STtNG, no?
What I don’t get is, why didn’t Cain realize that the survival of the human race was at stake? Really, when there are only a couple thousand people left, killing civilians just so you can take their stuff, not trying to make any accommodations for them to live afterwards, is just absurd. Suicidal, even, on a species-conscious level. What good is revenge if there’s no one around to enjoy it? I think the writers were trying to show that subtly, with the radio clip playing in the background about Roslyn banning abortion, and Adama’s speech about how he had people helping him get his mind of military tactics/revenge and onto the real issue-- the continued survival of the human race.
I feel like Cain was either really short-sighted or not as smart as they keep telling us she was for not realizing this.
I got the impression back in the Pegasus episodes that Cain never did believe they could carry on the human race. I don’t know if maybe they didn’t have enough fertile humans or the facilities or whether they just had a “dead men walking” mentality.
Cain and the Pegasus crew always struck as trying to inflict as much damage as they could before they were ultimately killed. They tracked and engaged the Cylons (and had to believe they’d eventually get beaten since they thought they were alone) while Galactica tried to run, hide, and survive.
I know they were tracking the Cylon fleet that was tracking the Fleet, but did they realize that the Cylon’s were tracking Galactica?
Yes, Ensign Ro Laran. But if that’s who she is to you, it tells me that you really need to go out and Netflix “Homicide: Life on the Streets”, which was television ten times better than STNG put out, even on its later seasons.
I’m almost certain they did not. Just out hunting Cylons in their pathetic quixotic way.
There really should have been a mutiny on Pegasus. Abandoning ships without FTL is one thing, raping ships of their FTLs and leaving people behind was FUBAR.
I’m a bit ticked the one lesbo had to be an evil whack-job, but as I’ve said in other threads, at least gays got acknowledged. I can’t believe Ron Moore kept claiming he wanted to introduce gays but wanted to wait for the right moment to “do it right.” Hm.
What’s this GLAAD commercial mentioned? I missed it.
At the very end of the show (while I was waiting for this-season previews). It was basically talking headshots of a bunch of actors, starting with (IIRC) Jamie Bamber and others I didn’t recognize offhand. Basically, blahblahblah tolerance, yaddayadda. All guys, BTW.
And I never until now twigged that it might’ve had to do with them putting in the Evil Lesbian storyline. hmmm.