Having been sexually assaulted by a millionaire - I wouldn’t bet on that.
I’ve known several other women assaulted by millionaires. Yes, there are women attracted to the money for what they can get out of it. But, in my experience, these assholes avoid those women - those are the ones who end up accidentally pregnant and they are “too easy.”
First of all, Trump isn’t in the same league with Clooney - Clooney is actually attractive to most women.
Secondly, there is a pretty good chance random woman is married, or lesbian, or there with her boyfriend. She may be less than excited to have George Clooney kiss her.
Staggeringly, I have some insight into this. And a lot of what people are saying above is accurate, but let me see if I can put it all together.
Source of my knowledge? I live in Los Angeles (Beverly Hills, to be precise), and I went through the typical period that everyone does upon moving here of dating a bunch of models/actresses. I have some friends who still do that for a living.
Modeling, for 99% of models, makes you no money at all. Moreover, the battering ram that it does to your self-esteem is significant. As one ex put it- she was the most beautiful thing ever to come out of her hometown, with all the privilege and nice treatment that goes with that- no one had ever been mean to her, in large part because she was so pretty (she was quite self-aware, actually- I kinda miss her). Then she got here, got signed (huge in and of itself), and went to a call… where there were 50 other girls that looked exactly like her. Advantage- Hollywood.
So you’ve got no money, few skills other than being pretty, and the world is going out of its way to demonstrate to you just how little “pretty” means- what do you do? You go to clubs, you go to parties, and you do what you can to meet someone successful, powerful, generous, etc. And, while you don’t throw yourself at them, you make yourself very available. There are clubs that exist, and parties that are thrown, if not specifically, then implicitly for this purpose. The poster who said that consent is presupposed, at least at these events, is correct.
That said, there’s a game to it. Because the poster that said that those who can do it don’t have to brag about it is equally correct. The men who date like this are not showing off their alpha-ness in a caveman sort of way- they’re showing off in an entirely different way- by demonstrating to their peers and to those of us who look at/up to them how debonair and suave they can be.
The standard of power is not whether you can grab pussy with impunity, it’s how you display what you’ve got.
The absolute best example I can give is not Clooney but Jeter. I’ve been to a few parties he attended, both here and in NY. Women get a running start to throw themselves at Jeter. He’s dated singers, models, and “regular girls” by the dozens. And no one has ever said a bad word about Jeter. Why? Because Jeter lets the pussy come to him. Why? Because he knows that it will. Not just because he’s a Yankee, but because he treats whoever he’s with, with dignity and respect and grace, for the period of time that he’s with them, limited though that may be. Now, it’s not going to last, and everyone knows that. But even when you know that, there’s no reason to be an asshole about it. Jeter doesn’t need to tell anyone that he’s Jeter. You already know, and you already know what that means.
Trump needs to tell people he’s Trump, and what he can do, because he’s desperately afraid that it doesn’t mean anything. He has the money and the power, but not the foundation to make that matter. Trump needs to grab the pussy because he’s desperately afraid that otherwise he won’t get to touch it.
Jeter is a dollar. Trump is a Somali shilling. And that’s why Trump needs to grab, and that’s why Trump needs to brag.
In the immortal words of the American philosophical collective, the Geto Boys, “real gangsta-ass **** don’t flex nuts, 'cause real gangsta-ass **** know they got 'em.”
Here’s the thing about Trump. He has been involved with a lot of world class women while being rich and famous. But deep down ( actually probably not that deep down ), he knows that none of these women would give him a second glance if he was just some schlub from Brooklyn. If not for his money, this women would dismiss him with contemptuous looks and cruel laughter. And this stings him.
And this causes him to treat these women with contempt. It’s the mindset of “Im going to smirk at you and grab your pussy with my cold and tiny little hands and you’ll let me because you think my money and my general Trumpiness will somehow rub off on you and transform you, you bitch.”
Now, I suppose if Trump and a bunch of Trumplike dudes found each other and wanted to stock a party with women that wouldn’t object to being fondled without permission, they would call a high-end escort service.
But I’ve worked with a lot of very wealthy men my whole career, and for the most part they are just like other men, some of them hit on you -most don’t.
But of the ones that did hit on me, I’ve never had anyone lunge or grab at me. Most of these wealthy guys used time honored techniques like paying attention to you, being pleasant and entertaining and asking you out - just like non-wealthy guys, come to think of it.
Acting like a lout and assaulting women is not something most men would do if they only had the money and even if you believe Trump when he said he never actually did it, for me the fact that he hates women enough to think they’d consent to his crude assaults is equally troubling.
Great minds think alike (it was in the post you quoted):
Always a possibility IRL, but you’re fighting the hypothetical.
I think Trump’s behaviour is far more primitive. Primal, even. The alpha male comes along, asserts his status, the beta males stand back, and the females spread their legs. Just look at wolves, lions, tigers, horses, gorillas, etc. Trump, Berlusconi, Clinton, Putin, Alan Clark, James Bond, etc are no different.
Trump is the Bad Boy writ large. And while his strategy is successful in the short term, the human ability to associate, to band together against a threat, is now biting him in the arse.
Actually, what Trump is doing is showing that he doesn’t believe himself to be an “alpha” If he was, he would not need to constantly say he is. He doesn’t even display alpha traits, he just says that he does. Self-inflating.
You sometimes see that behaviour with people who hang out with much younger and more naïve people in groups where their bullshit is believed.
However, that is not what Trump was asserting. He was saying that rich and successful guys have no trouble picking up chicks whenever they want. That bit is true.
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“Letting you do it,” in this context, is not what I’d call consent.
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From the contexts, is there any evidence there was no consent, or that he did not back down/stop when told by the ladies? Look, I am as much against pussies grabbing as the next person, but he did not admit in the tape to sex assualts.
I disagree. In the animal world, dominance must be continually maintained. But it’s irrelevant anyway: as long as others believe he is dominant then he’s dominant.
And the he was saying what amounts to “that’s me! me! me!” The whole I just grab them etc. is just trying to hard to include himself in that group.
But maintenance is not constantly talking about how dominant you are. It is not the practice of the real dominants.
Different people do it in different ways.
I’m very curious for a definition of, ‘world class women’, what the devil is that supposed to mean?
Yes, money and power attract attention from men and women both. And there are many women out there looking to get ahead via whom they hook up with. Ain’t nothing new in that. And there is no problem when such women hook up with such men.
The problem arises when such men begin to think ALL women are just as keen to get with them. Even those that are just there to shake hands are snap a selfie or walk away saying, ‘I got to meet Mr X!’ These men get to thinking those women must also be potential conquests, so why not move on them too!
And they very likely get away with pushing the envelop. Because you’re all starry eyed to be meeting a celebrity, and off guard that you’re about to get groped! And he’s gonna cop a feel and then just move along, leaving the victim in stunned silence!
But let’s not make any mistakes, it IS sexual assault, by definition. Just as ‘pushing the envelop’, by saying inappropriate things to waitresses and bartenders is, in fact, sexual harassment.
There would seem to be a lot of men out their thinking, “Hey I know lots of people who behave this way. They’ve never been called out at the bar or faced any pushback, so it must be okey dokey.”
This is the 21st century, it’s not okay. It’s not about being over sensitive, or having a thin skin or no sense of humour. It’s about sexual harassment and sexual assault. Attempts to diminish, dismiss or equivocate it away as insignificant are misguided and reflect REALLY badly on the men who do so.
You reveal yourselves as the dinosaurs you are. You ARE the problem, in fact. And while you maybe can’t see it, we can see it in you very clearly, because you insist on clarifying why exactly, sexual assault/harassment isn’t really, this or that. When, in fact, it’s exactly that by definition!
Have you seen George Clooney’s wife? She’s educated, accomplished & quite beautiful. I doubt he fucks around on her.
During Clooney’s long bachelorhood. he managed to be quite discreet about his love life. I don’t remember any tales of brutish behavior–and he didn’t leave a string of angry, talkative women behind him.
The context is that people like Jill Harth are asserting that Trump has literally grabbed her by the pussy without consent. So there’s reason to believe that when Trump says “grab them by the pussy,” he means literally grabbing them by the pussy without consent.
How about women have have sued/are suing him for sexuall assault?
Some of which he’s settled out of court. But that doesn’t mean guilt.
Consent should not be assumed simply because someone doesn’t put up a fight. That’s the point.
His anecdote about unsuccessfully trying to seduce a married woman juxtaposed with his bragging about kissing women without “waiting” suggests that because rejection is an outcome that exists in his world, he can use his power as a rich celeb to bypass the inconvenience of a no when he chooses to do so. Whether women want him to kiss them is irrelevant; like one of his business deals, all that matters is what he can get from them. They “let” him do it the same way the workers he stiffs “let” him rob them of wages. The risks associated with complaining or resisting such treatment keep people from putting up a fight, and he exploits this.
I agree with Grim’s analysis. Trump’s need to brag suggests he actually isn’t the Casanova he wants people to see him as. He’s like one of those PUA types who wants everyone to marvel at his conquests because his identity is wrapped up in looking undefeatable and powerful.
Doesn’t mean innocence, either.
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I don’t think I’m that far off. Maybe I’m not presenting the profile of these individuals very well.
Whether it’s the high school quarterback supported by his jock friends, the “afluenza” kid, , some spoiled rich frat guy, the managing partner at a high powered law firm or investment bank, or Donald Trump himself, it’s the same mentality. The flip side of a lifetime of pressure to “win”, “be the best”, “be popular”, “kick ass”, “get rich” so on and so forth is that everyone else is shit. They develop a sense of entitlement that they deserve to reap the benefits of their position. They are also in constant fear of losing their status, maybe even having to put themselves at the mercy of all the people they shit on.
Also, keep in mind rich people don’t have to put up with all the bullshit other people have to deal with. They don’t have to suck some bosses dick. If something is broken or annoying, they can just have it fixed, replaced or fired. So imagine your outlook towards other people if you always got your way with everything. People become “things” to be used and discarded as necessary.
I read an article by Elon Musk’s first ex wife where she described that as soon as he became rich, everything about her had to be “perfect” all the time. She said she felt like one of her employees (to which his response was if she was his employee, he’d fire her).
I was thinking that what he wanted in a wife was actually more like one of the robot “hosts” from HBO’s Westworld. Turns out I wasn’t too far off.