Beautiful women, wealthy men and "the rules of the game"

There’s no special ‘game’ here, except the normal game of sexual negotiation, and the ‘rules’ are the standard rules about consent and the like (which Mr. Trump appears to have a difficult time grasping).

I have a pretty good friend who has made a habit out of dating rich guys from the time she was of age. Sometimes through “Seeking Arrangement” type web sites, sometimes through meeting them at night clubs or through friends, sometimes just through randomly meeting them as you might meet anyone else in the course of the day. There are night clubs in many big cities where you have to be either a rich / well connexted man or a very good looking woman to be allowed in, and she met quite a few there. She’s also been the recipient of nonconsensual / stalkerish / harassing behavior, and importantly she was quite easily able to tell the difference.

In my experience (and this is secondhand, but since she’s a good friend I have a lot of second hand material), there is no explicit “price of admission” or “quid pro quo”, and there’s plenty of rolling the dice, just as there is in any kind of sexual / romantic negotiation, it’s just that the stakes in this case (in terms of access to money, power, etc.) are higher. My friend K____ has been on some nice foreign vacations, gotten cash, etc., but sometimes she slept with these people and sometimes she didn’t, and she was always very clear about what she wanted to do, or not. There is no firm dividing line between ‘sex work’ and other forms of consensual sexual encounters, there’s just a big gray area, although of course the extreme ends are quite distinct. (Even in explicitly professional relationships, consent is still important: it is illegal to rape a prostitute, and it’s also illegal to have sex with a prostitute without paying, in countries whee sex work is legal).

Being wealthy, good looking, powerful etc., certainly makes it more likely that attractive women (or let’s be fair here, people in general of your desired sex) will consent to you, but that isn’t an acceptable ground for bypassing consent. There are probably plenty of people in a standard western European nursing home who would like to die (and I mention western Europe specifically because euthanasia is legal in some of those countries). That doesn’t make it OK to walk in there and start killing people without their consent.

Some women might tolerate it - the notion that the average woman would be OK with it is bullshit.

Which is what I said from the first.

Or people seeing the film just didn’t feel it was ‘right’ that guys crudely harassing pretty girls on NY streets are in fact going to be disproportionately non-white compared to the national population, and blamed the film maker for their discomfort about that.

To start with NY is less than half white, less still if speaking of people making a living outdoors or partly so, and if you’re a banker walking with your friends at lunch (any color, but white more likely in that case) it’s not as likely to be socially acceptable in that group to say ‘hey baby shake that thang’ to some woman as it would be in a working class setting, IME.

Trump and I are both from Queens, both have had experience in working and white collar ‘elite’ NY, but apparently very different ideas about what’s acceptable, so I realize the limits of generalizations. Still, IME jerks in Trump’s general sphere (even much less rich and powerful) don’t call out to women on the street, in NY culture at least. That is in general a working/lower class behavior, and the NY working and lower classes are heavily non-white.

The reaction of the woman is likely to be different if a ‘social inferior’ (as she sees the man) is sexually aggressive, but the behavior pattern by men also tends to differ by class, with exceptions as with any valid generalization about people.

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Or maybe rich guys prefer different harassment techniques to cat calling?

This training video sums it up pretty well.

I think that’s part of what I said. But if the video is about street harassment in NY, it’s not ‘racist’ that most of the catcallers aren’t going to be white, that’s just reality.

I don’t understand the comparison with George Clooney - it misses most of the point.

Lawrence sums it up

I think that’s mostly it. Trump doesn’t cat-call women, he just uses other ways to harass them.

My aforementioned friend, though she dates rich guys now, grew up in a mostly Latino, working class community and she self-describes as being quite used to a certain level of hollering, cat-calling, etc., to the point where she doesn’t mind it all that much. (She actually wound up dating one such guy at one point in high school). There are other sorts of harassment though to which I think she would be much more vulnerable, and those are the sort that someone like trump might use.