Bernie Withdraws

Yeah, that’s likely not going to happen either. It’s not super common to do so.

IIRC, in 2008 it was massive shock to both Hillary Clinton and other Democrats that President Obama asked her to be his Secretary of State.

Now there is probably a better chance that Beto and Pete get some sort of position (ambassadorships?) because they currently aren’t working. Senators are likely not going to be asked - unless Biden really likes them.

A cabinet secretary is an at-will employee of POTUS, Sanders will not want that.

For the former contenders who are sitting Senators it’s the easy call to stay Senators. Keep the seniority and visibility, the 6 year term that enables you to run for the top spot while still keeping your job every 2 out of 3 presidential elections, and the identity as an entity separate from the last President.

I don’t think Sanders wants a cabinet position. He probably wants Biden and the democratic platform to incorporate some of his ideas.

I am pretty enthusiastic about Biden. Not to the point where I am a die hard “Joe Bro” (is that a thing?), I’m not putting Biden 2020 bumper stickers on my car or anything. He is very much a flawed candidate and is gaffe prone, has said many things I disagree with (or even facepalm about). But he was the only candidate I felt like I could vote for rather than just voting against Trump. Very early in the primaries when it looked like Biden would finish a distant 3rd, 4th, or lower I was resigned to rationalizing other candidates. (Except Sanders, if the election was Sanders/Trump I’d probably vote 3rd party.)

Now that Biden is the presumptive nominee I have zero reservations about my vote. I’m happy to vote for him. Or at least relieved.

AOC has never talked to Biden but I assume she will soon

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/us/politics/aoc-progressives-joe-biden.html

As a historical footnote, after a week’s delay, Biden has won the Wisconsin primary.

Dear Bernie, thanks for playing. Maybe join the Democratic party if you’d like to use their resources for your next run. Or run as an independent, if you’re feeling independent.

No we really don’t want that. It’d dilute the voting body.

It’s been an interesting last couple of days for Bernie. He appears to have fired or seriously cracked down on two of his most extreme staff: Sirota and Briahna Gray. Both were going absolutely batshit crazy on Twitter. As of Sunday, both had changed their twitter to indicate they were former Bernie staffers which they didn’t do for the first few days after Bernie dropped.

I despise Bernie, but I think we can all agree he’s not a details guy and I doubt he regularly checks Twitter. But, someone must have brought it to his attention that his paid staff had gone off the rails on social media and it just wasn’t a few bros.

I hope he’s accepted that he’s never running for President again and that even the big rallies are over forever for him. Bernie has seen that Trump isn’t a joke, he won and could win again. I think his endorsement today is a sign that he doesn’t want to spend the twilight of his career in a senate minority and best known for a dwindling Twitter mob that becomes more detached from reality daily.

That’s good. Briahna Gray was the worst (and still is but can do less damage now).

Yeah, I remember all the “Giant Meteor 2016” bumper stickers and whatnot.

It still leaves me shaking my head.

Yes, I’m disappointed that Biden’s the nominee, and I’ll probably be disappointed by his Presidency. But it’s one thing to wish for a better quality of Democrat as President, and another thing entirely to be hoping and praying that democracy itself survives a second term of Trump, and be hoping that we’re able to pick up the pieces afterward.

Bernie tossed her in front of a double decker extended bus

Have to say I agree with Bernie and Briahna. Despite Biden’s lying about his civil rights record, the rape allegation, his history of unwanted touching of girls and adult women and the Burisma debacle, we need to support Biden. That’s why I am shifting my efforts towards getting Biden over the line against Trump.

Even foreigners can phone bank, non Americans can google for ideas.

I’m not sure if you made a typo there, but Gray still refuses to endorse Biden.

No I think that’s good. We still need people to speak truth and hold the powerful accountable for their actions. We can’t let it happen again that someone like Biden is the best that the entire nation of America has to offer against Trump.

And Sanders can’t help being decent and supporting Biden, we need people like him too.

This is so silly. If the Democratic Party has set up rules for running as a Democrat, and he’s following the rules, why the hell is it his fault if you think the rules should exclude him? He’s not the one who set those rules up.

If you don’t like how he followed the rules to run as a Democrat, direct your snark at the party officials who failed to change the rules in 2017, and who likely won’t change the rules now.

Politics isn’t a team sport. He used the mechanisms of power by the rules those mechanisms set up to try to change the balance of power. You can’t ask for fairer than that.

Because people who vote are catered to and people who don’t vote don’t matter. That’s how it works for every other group, that’s how it’s always worked. We are not speaking theoretically here.

This is so entirely wrong that it make shake the Earth.

Politics - running for office and influencing policy when in office - is so entirely a team sport that to deny it is the equivalent of denying the Earth is round or the sky is blue.

One wins elections and governs as a team. You form coalitions, you work together is shared best interests.

Do you think Mayor Pete and Klobuchar dropped out for the hell of it? No, they were part of a team - the one called moderate Democrats - and decided they could best help by dropping out. Would they have preferred to win? I feel pretty certain. But they felt it would be in the best interests of the team for them to leave the race at that point. It would be hard, at this point, to say they were wrong.

I have been involved in Democratic politics for decades now. I’ve fundraised, held events, given speeches and even run once. However, it’s rare I’ve seen a successful candidate who wasn’t a team player. The newbies help local candidates and help the state and national candidates as needed. Local candidates help prepare events and plan rallies when the congress people come to town. The flip side of that is that the people in positions of power help identify and help elect the newbie candidates by giving money and loaning expertise and staff when needed.

That’s a perfect response.

Remember how some Bernie supporters were convinced that letting Trump win would be the best thing for progressives? Susan Sarandon voiced this in 2016:

What actually happened was easily predictable: All those things that Bernie wanted were pushed aside. $15 minimum wage? When was that a discussion? Oh yeah, it hasn’t been since Trump won. Medicare for All? How can that be implemented when all our energy is stopping Republicans from removing people from what insurance they currently have? It’s hard to play offense when you’re always playing defense.

Bill Clinton was moderate, but even his leftward nemesis Barney Frank admitted in his memoirs that after twelve years of Reagan and Bush I that Bill was probably the most leftward someone could be to win the White House in that era. “Triangulation” was better than four more years of Poppy.

If you don’t show up to vote, don’t be shocked if you don’t have any voice in what the winner does. And if you don’t show up to vote and the person who is the least progressive candidate on the ballot wins instead, don’t be shocked that it doesn’t inspire revolution. It never, ever does.

You’re 100% focused on the word “team” and 0% focused on the word “sport” and so 100% missed my point.

That said, a more developed criticism of Sanders than bobot’s throwaway line might be that he didn’t play nice with the people in power–that he tried to build a team of outsiders, rather than a team of fellow power-brokers–and that this team wasn’t able to win. That’s fair.

But regarding his choices as somehow unethical to the team is nonsense, treats the whole thing like a game, which I reject.