To quote Col. Tigh, “she carries 300 fighters, 100 defensive laser Turrets, 2 mega pulsars, she is an orbital killer capable of destroying every ship in the fleet including the Galactica.”
SPOOFE
No Way!
A Super Star Destroyer was knocked out of action by a collision with a single A-wing fighter in ROTJ. In ESB the destroyers were severely damaged in the asteroid belt, the Enterprise’s navigational deflectors would swept the field clean, let alone the main deflector shields themselves.
Time was when the hopes and hearts of a hundred worlds sailed out with the first *Constitution-*Class Starship.
[Raised spirits and sigh of schoolchildren on Andor, teens on Terra, farmers on Gault and researchers on Berengaria. Masked pride of Vulcans and good-natured insults of Tellarites. ]
[Yeah!]
[One youth to another: ‘Imagine… they’ve broken the time barrier.’]
[A billion eyes move skyward.]
[The culmination of modern thought; the harnessing of unimaginable energies: the great vessels surges forward, into the great wide open.]
[To boldly go…]
The best starship is the one suggested by Paul Kantner in 1970, which he never actually named. It’s basically a huge floating space city, kind of like Tithonus mixed with Ulysses, I guess. Voyage, but never leave home.
This starship was built by the government, slated for completion by 1990 and was hijacked by a bunch of utopian free thinkers. It’s got everything: lakes, mountains, plains, cities… paradise.
This came into being while the Jefferson Airplane was just entering its death throes, and it was the subject of Paul Kantner’s “solo” concept album, Blows Against the Empire, and was the first time the name Jefferson Starship was ever used (though the Jefferson Airplane wouldn’t actually break up until 1973.)
Even if you don’t care for the starship described, it’s a great album. And hell, I’m no sci-fi buff, anyway—so what the hell am I doing in this thread.
Gimme a Klingon Bird of Prey anytime. I love everything about them. They are built for one purpose. They even look menacing as all hell; I sure wouldn’t tangle with one.
Getting back on topic, and dealing with the choices provided, I’d go with the Galactica. I’m no stats nut, but I remember the amount of punishment it could take, and with its complement of single seater fighters, I believe it could handle the Enterprise rather handily. Also, like the Enterprise it is designed to have some creature comforts too. I’d love to see how it would match with the Star Destroyer, though. C’mon statsguys, give us a breakdown on these two like SPOOF did with the Enterprise!
Give me Dahak II. Bigger than the Death Star, more weapon systems, can do FTL in realspace, hypermissles that jump to their targets, energy weapons that cause subatomic disruption, gravatonic weapons that simply put momentary blackholes where the missle exits, weapons that cause parts of enemy ships to jump into hyperspace (Just parts, cuts a nice hole…) and a super intelligent sentient computer to run it. It would blow past the Enterprise and ISD without slowing down, and swat the Galactica without even thinking about it…The Skylark Duquesne however would probably give it pause.
Oh, Icerigger…the Awing took out the bridge because that particular deflector shield had been taken down by a shot just second earlier and the ISSD hit the DeathStar before its aux bridge could regain control. Note that Federation ships have a tendancy to blow up from a single photon torp hit, when they aren’t the big E, and also consider that their bridge is every bit as exposed if their shields are taken down.
And let’s not forget the dozen or so Mon Calamari Star Cruisers that were pounding the crap out of it’s hull.
Admiral Akbar: “Concentrate all firepower on that Super Star Destroyer!”
Remember that?
A: They were in that asteroid belt for hours. B: The Enterprise’s navigational deflector? Please. That’s to be used against particles of space dust and small pieces of debris… not 100- or 1000-ton chunks of hurtling rock and metal.
'Least I post sober.
And if you guys wanna deal with smaller ships… the Falcon will give you a whole family of ulcers just keeping the damn thing flying. And a Fed shuttlecraft ain’t much better… they crash half the time.
Better choices would be:
The Delta Flyer, which one can fly alone, and maintain relatively easily, AND still live in comfort.
My aforementioned Firespray class patrol ship, if you want to be the epitome of cool.
A standard Runabout (Trek)… not as powerful as other vessels, but they were so common you’d think spare parts would be plentiful.
I’d also put my money on a good YT-2400 stock light freighter… kind of like the Falcon’s newer, better model (Dash Rendar flew one in Shadows of the Empire). Smaller, but easier to maintain.
If you want to worry about individual fighters, I’d probably put my money on a K-Wing bomber… powerful, long-range, good-sized… and better than a Y-Wing. Either that or a TIE Defender… those things can give you a joygasm.
Of the three ships in the OP, I’ll go with the Enterprise. The technology of the Star Trek series seems to be more advanced than that of Star Wars, and IMO phasors and photon torpedoes would prove to be far superior to turbolasers.
The shield tech of the Federation is pretty amazing too. Overal, I give it to the newest Enterprise.
The Galactica is a joke. Take out the two easily targeted fighter bays, and you’ve destroyed 90% of the ship’s effective armaments. It also looks about as maneverable as a drunk hippo.
Outside the realm of the three choices, I’d have to go with either DS9’s The Defiant, or The SDF-1. for now. I’ll probably change my mind later.
Besides the Duquesne, and limiting myself to the OP, I’d have to say the ISD. Fighter support is definitely where it’s at. Load that baby down with a couple squadron of Tie Advanced or Tie Defenders, and the Enterprise does NOT stand a chance, particularly if you make sure the 'fighters are loaded down with torpedoes.
The Galactica is a trickier question. I don’t think ships in BG had shields, did they?
God help me, I’m a nerd. Is there some sort of treatment?
I think the SDF-1, in terms of firepower, would win. I mean, c’mon, it’s laser can destroy ANYTHING in it’s path. Plus, it takes a sh*t load of punishment and keeps going.
It’s one drawback, no long range space travel. It tried it once,and failed. Now, the SDF-3, that’s another story…
True, FTL missiles, Deathbeams and the ability to engage enemies at 3 AU are somewhat balanced by the fact that any attempt at interstellar travel - which is also the way they reach their incredible velocities - instantly kills the crew and crushes their bodies into a milimeter-thick protoplasmic jam. Plus, I’m Jewish.
So in the spirit of Bouv’s post, I’d like to suggest the Space Cruiser Yamato (AKA “Argo”). The Enterprise may indeed have phasers and photon torpedoes, but does it have a Wave Motion Gun?
Enterprise-d had warp power delivered through its deflector dish (didn’t work against the Borg, but the concept is sound). I guess you can call it the Warp Cannon… analogous to the wave motion gun (I remember Star Blazers, too!)
The Heart of Gold with its’ improbability drive blows away the weaponry, speed and maneuverability of all other ships
Weaponry- Find out how unlikely it is that the thermo-nuclear missiles will turn into a rather surprised sperm whale and a bowl of petunias. Feed that figure into the improbability drive and Whammo!
Speed- Passes through every concievable point in every concievable univers simultaneously! Be the envy of all major governments! You select your re-entry point!
Hi Opal!
Maneuverability- see points one and two. You can either jump to where you want to be, or turn the obstacles into marshmallow fluff cakes.
SPOOFE, I gotta hand it to you. You make fundies in a creation vs evolution debate look rational and reasonable. For the last time, the simple fact that the ISD can’t fight at FTL speeds, and has no transporter technology, would make it dead meat in a fight against the Enterprise. Hell the Grissom could blow it to plasma. Hypothesising nonexistant shields that would stop transporters or the ability to jumpe to hyperlight quickly makes no difference. It would be gone before it could do either. A warp flyby beaming a Photon torp into the engine room would destroy the ISD before it even knew it was in a fight. Face it, I know you like SW, prolly have all the figureines and a yoda mask, but the technology as presented in SW is inferior to ST technology. There is no shame in that. I have a passion for the USS Yorktown, the one sunk after the BAttle of Midway, I even wrote a thesis on it in college, but against Chief Scott’s Ike, it would be dead meat. And there is NO shame in admitting that. Sheesh!
I could turn this into another debate just by saying “Prove it, Weirdo!”, but I’ll leave that to Spoofe.
Well, first I want to say that I think the starships from the Wing Commander computer games kick ass (Not the movie, that sucks more than Nebraska). My favorite is the Concordia. Two miles of sheer firepower and fighters. It’s phase transit cannon could whup ass. Too bad the Kilrathi managed to bring it down. The Tiger’s Claw was awesome as well.
Another computer game ship: The Shivan Dreadnaughts from Freespace 2. These things were HUGE! Not to mention that 80 or so of them combined could cause a star to go supernova…
Which brings me to my favorite ship of all time: The Suncrusher. This thing is quite literally invincible. It took a black hole to put it out of action. Bring it on, Klingons (doesn’t that sound like description of pieces of toilet paper that get stuck in ass hair when you wipe?), Federation, everyone! Suncrusher could take it on.
