Star Trek vs. Star Wars

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Yes, another one of these threads. While I deserve most blame for this thread since I’m obviously the OP, you should also heap scorn on Pushkin, lno, and *tracer ** for debating it in a currently running Trek thread and making me realize we haven’t had one of these in a while and I’ve always enjoyed watching the Trekkies destroy the 'Wars fanboys delusions. :smiley:

So, with all that being said, let’s get down to the geekery. Who would win in a fight between a Sovereign class starship and an Imperial Star Destroyer? A Borg Cube and the Deathstar? A Starfleet runabout and an X-Wing? A Jem 'Hadar and a Wookie? Soong type androids and the shiny gold things that C3PO represents? Palpatine (or some similarly near omnipotent Force Wielder) and Q?

And finally, on a grander scale, the entirety of the Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers (include the Dominion [Gamma] and Borg [Alpha, Beta, Delta] if you want) vs the entirety of the Rebel Alliance and the Empire in an all out war.

*70% or more of my Dope posts are probably Trek related. I’m obviously rather partisan.

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A Sovereign class starship (i.e. the Enterprise-E) gets SMOKED by an ISD. There’s no contest. Especially if the ISD uses a TIE squadron to soften up the Enterprise.

The X-Wing likewise kicks the tail of any shuttle, runabout or Defiant-class ship. Too fast and maneuverable. Not to mention that X-Wings don’t have this nasty habit of sending sparks flying every time someone grazes them with a shot.

The Force versus Q? I’ve gotta give that one to Q, actually.

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Oh, pish tosh. The answer to all of those is that the Star Wars side would win.

Why? Because they’re just that much cooler. Star Trek has had how many movies? Fourteen? And how many novels? Sixteen bajillion? The coolness factor is thus diluted to an unacceptable level.

Star Wars, however, has a mere five movies, and a handful of books in comparison. Episodes I and II suck, too, therefore they have not drawn off any of the coolness.

I state categorically that the concentrated coolness of Episodes IV through VI can overpower any technobabble of Star Trek. You want to transport photon torpedos into the warp core from warp speeds? Ok, but we have Han Solo.

HAN FREAKIN’ SOLO.

Coolness 1, Star Trek nerds 0.

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Data versus C3PO? Seriously, I’m all about being open-minded, but come on. Are any Star Wars fans going to defend that matchup?

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I just picked some non-combatant android at random since Data’s not a battle droid.

And while I’m open minded and accepting that an ISD would obliterate the E-E, anyone that says a sublight fighter with no shields would destroy the Defiant, the most overpowered and maneuverable ship in the fleet, with a straight face must be high.

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Han Solo is Kirk and Tripp’s love child. Plus, he shot first.
The two franchises are truly light years, nay PARSECS apart. One is fantasy with slight elements of sci-fi, the other is sci-fi with slight elements of fantasy. Both are very entertaining with some sucky bits.

BTW, coolness is never divided and diluted, it is only multiplied.
I like all three of them (LOTR, too) and can outgeek most people in all of them irl (but not on these boards).

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LotR? Don’t you mean B5 or something else? Granted, SW and ST aren’t really that similar once you actually pay attention but they do have *some * similarities. I wouldn’t consider Middle Earth comparable to the Federation or the Empire at all.

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Are you crazy? The Enterprise-E can fight while moving faster-than-light. It fires weapons (photon torpedoes and quantum torpedoes) that travel faster-than-light. An Imperial Star Destroyer can do neither of these things.

Advantage: Enterprise-E. It could back up at warp 1.1 and lob quantum torpedoes at the ISD until the Star Destroyer blew up, and the only thing the ISD could do about it would be to hyperspace outta there like a dog with its tail between its legs.

(Then again, the E-E was under the command of Jean-Luc Picard, which gives a significant tactical edge to the ISD…)

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You’ve also got light sabers and Darth Vader, which are worth a couple of coolness points all by themselves.

But I hasten to add that Star Wars characters never have sex. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Q can do ANYTHING. ANYTHING he wants. Q can kick ANYTHING’S ass, whether Star Wars or Star Trek.

Gee, I forgot how much I liked Q. :smiley:

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Could, could. I meant could. Not would. **C **ould. Please put the agonizer away.

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How does shooting torpedoes away from your target hurt it? Or can the Enterprise make its torpedoes move faster than warp 1.1 at a standstill? Anyway, Picard can’t be that poor a tactician if they named a military strategy after him (no, not the shirt-pulling thing).

Should it ever get out of ship-to-ship combat and settle on person-to-person fighting (boarding parties or something), SW has the Trek guys completely trashed. And if Wraith Squadron ever gets into it - hoo boy.

I think Q would side with the Empire, since their universe seems so much more fun to mess around in.

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What about the Death Star’s superlazer vs. V’ger? or the Doomsday machine?

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The Whale Probe would be better. It only took two humanoids to beat V’ger and the Enterprise already destroyed the Doomsday Machine.

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Smeagol: Aaaaahhhhh!!! Wraiths on X-wings! Wraiths on X-wings!

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Ultimate Test:

If a giant rock ever hovered over tattoine and demanded hump-back whales. Obiwan would just be like “You want to go find your whales somewhere else”. And the rock would go away because Jedi mind tricks are pretty cool like that.

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How about Q vs. James T. Kirk?

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Are you trying to k-k-k-kill me, K-K-K-Kenny?

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Someone mentioned that a Sovereign can fight while at FTL speeds, so that’s an advantage. However, Imperial Interdictors can pull ships out of hyperspace, so the question is does the interdiction field also work on warp drives? I tend to think it does, because the interdiction field is described as a massive artificial gravity well, and Trek ships have to break orbit from a planet and move out on impulse before they can warp. With that advantage out of the way, the Star Destroyers can let loose with their massive turbolaser batteries and many, many squadrons of TIEs armed with missiles, torpedos, and heavy space bombs. Hell, give me an Assault Gunboat and I’ll take down a Sovereign by myself :stuck_out_tongue:

If the Borg Cube is stupid enough to hang out in the superlaser’s field of fire, it’s space dust. The Death Star probably can’t track that thing around so well though, so the Borg could run circles around it and attack the other parts of the Death Star. Their best bet would be to board the Death Star and start assimilating, or try to get to the reactor core and blow that up. The Borg would quickly adapt to the Stormtroopers’ weapons, but Vader would cut the lot of 'em down, if he was around. Transporting shouldn’t be a problem for the Borg, since the Death Star apparently doesn’t have its own shields (remember Endor).

First off, Rebel fighters are neither sublight nor unshielded. Any old runabout, the X-Wing has it easy. But the Defiant? Come on, it’s comprable to the Falcon, except it was specifically made for kicking ass and not pretending to be a space barge. A B-Wing would probably lose against the Defiant (unless I was flying it).

Hmm, that’s a tough one. Wookies aren’t naturally warlike, but they’re certainly larger and probably stronger too. I’d bet on the Wookie, but they might very well kill each other.

Yeah right. Data might not be made specifically for combat, but he can kick Borg ass. Nuff said. Throw an assassin droid at Data, well, I’d still count on Data to find and exploit some weakness before the droid can say “meatbag”.

Last time I checked, no Force Master could move planets out of their orbits on a whim, allow someone to actually travel back in time to alter their own past, or toss ships across the entire breadth of the galaxy as if he was tossing a ball across home plate. So that’d be, uh, Q.

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No no no no – the Enterprise-E backs up at warp 1.1 (even the old NCC-1701 was shown backing up at warp 9 in “Balance of Terror”, so warp 1.1 should be no problem), and then shoots photon torpedoes forward (photon torpedoes typically travel at warp 9 or higher).

Like backpedalling on foot while shooting at someone with a .38 special – the bullets move so much faster than you that the the tiny amount of backwards velocity you have will make very little impact on the bullets’ velocity.