Au contraire! In Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Kirk & co. went to warp-speed in the Klingon Bird of Prey while they were still in Earth’s atmosphere.
Ah, but the Dyson Sphere forced the 1701D out of warp, so unless you want to through easily explodable (not that All Trek ships seem easily splodable) BoP at Imperial CapShips, you’re toast.
It should be noted that if superior Hyperdive equiped vessels can’t go FTL in an interdictor field, there’s no way a fricking Warpship will.
Not nececelery! Hyperdrive works by an entirely different mechanism than warp drive. It’s entirely possible that an interfictor field can nullify hyperdrives but have no effect on warp drives.
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Ah, but the Dyson Sphere forced the 1701 D out of warp…
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Do you realize how massive a Dyson Sphere is and the amount of gravity it must exert? Using that as a cite to say that starships can’t travel in gravity wells is like saying a robin can’t fly because hurricaine level winds keep it grounded.
Do you realize how massive a Dyson Sphere is and the amount of gravity it must exert? Using that as a cite to say that starships can’t travel in gravity wells is like saying a robin can’t fly because hurricaine level winds keep it grounded.
Say, does anyone know of a message board around these parts with a bunch of nerds?
I remember an almost identical subject being debated here about 4 years ago.
C3PO clearly wins in the penis size category. 
But is he *fully * functional?
Neither would win.
As clearly indicated in the films (and TV shows, in the case of Star Trek) Imperial vessels and soldiers are unable to hit anything smaller than a planet, while Federation ships never work correctly. The battle would therefore be an endless stalemate, with the ISD hopelessly blasting away and missing at a crippled Enterprise.
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What?! Are you telling me that photon torpedoes are supposed to go 1,516 times the speed of light (ST Encyclopedia, p372)? Unless the ship firing them is itself going faster than light, we have never seen any evidence that torps go faster than light. Where did you get this?
Damn you Aesiron, I was trying to tone down my geekery and you go and start this thread…
Rather, I’ve never seen any evidence. What did I miss?
So, apparently, they can fly at Wap 9+ but the ship has to be going at or around Warp 9.9 to achieve those speeds.
And anytime, Brahe.
Yeah, but less than twelve.
Plus, there’s the problem of Starfleet’s infantry. Namely: it sucks. In tactics, training, and equipment. They making the Starship Troopers movie (not book) look good.
Away teams of starship command officers usually do better than the “redshirts,” of course, but isolated bands of swashbucklers do not an army make.
I’d love to see the Yuzhan Vong go up against the Borg, though. That’d be fun to watch.
You mean those stormtroopers that lay down rounds and rounds of blaster fire at 20 paces but miss every shot?
Of course, they’d be fighting against soldiers firing phaser blasts that travel slow enough you can dodge them.
What about the Ewoks vs. the Ferenghi?
If we’re just counting the hero characters, Star Wars beats Star Trek hands down. As this thread demonstrates, Chewbacca would defeat Worf without breaking a sweat. Meanwhile, you’ve got the Jedi Knights, who can not only dice their opponents to pieces, but can deflect incoming beam weapon fire and pull the guns out of their opponents’ hands. Then there’s Han Solo and Princess Leia, two sharpshooters who actually hit their targets with a fair degree of accuracy. This is quite unlike Picard and Riker (and Data, for some reason), who have been known to spend minutes on end fruitlessly shooting the rock directly in front of their target). Finally, Star Wars has R2-D2, who is essentially a walking, computer hacking swiss-army knife. Get him onto a starbase or Federation starship, and within a few minutes he’ll have disabled every terminal, door lock, and power system on board, and dug up vital information on the status of the Millennium Falcon to boot.
Okay, sure, so C-3PO would do little more than act annoying, ignore R2’s sage advice, and eventually get torn to pieces, but he does that on a regular basis anyway. 
Why, from the very same ST Encyclopedia entry that you yourself just referenced! Page 357 in the 1999 edition:
“photon torpedo. Tactical weapon used by Federation starships. Photon torpedoes are self-propelled missiles containing a small quantity of matter and antimatter bound together in a magnetic bottle, launched at warp speed at a target. Photon torpedoes are usually the weapon of choice when a ship is at warp drive, since they are not limited by the speed of light.” [underlining mine]
So, no, warp 9 was not specifically mentioned, but their FTL capabilities were.
Oh, and Aesiron? That “Daystrom Institute” page you linked to about photon torpedoes is misquoting the ST:TNG Technical Manual. Vl in the photorp speed formula is the launch velocity of the photorp, not the velocity of the launching vessel. (c.f. ST:TNG Tech Manual, page 128.)
Well, neither the Manual nor the Institute is canon so it doesn’t really matter in the end. I just cited that as an example… anyone that’s watched the show knows that they travel at FTL velocities because they’ve been fired while at warp innumerable times.
That, and my Tech Manual is a thousand miles away so I didn’t have it as a handy reference.
Right, because if they did, Luke and Leia would have been the first to hop into the sack, and then Lucas would have some serious explaining to do :eek: :eek: :eek:
tracer, I guess we’re arguing semantics. I took “launched at warp speeds” to mean that the launcher is warping, not the launchee. If the launcher is already in warp, then the torp doesn’t immediately fall back into normal space.
It’s just that on the shows the torpedoes always seem so slow. They get fired three at a time, and we see them drift towards the target. Granted, “speed of light” gets kind of bendy as it applies to science fiction (we see a phaser beam taking time to move between people 20 feet away), but I’ve never considered that photon torpedoes by themselves would reach warp speeds.