Stormtroopers are camera shy, and are only bad shots when on-camera. Remember how Obi Wan said of the aftermath of the Jawa slaughtering that only Imperial Stormtroopers would fire so accurately? He has to know what he’s talking about, it’s just that most of his experiences with them have been off-camera.
Are you suggesting there would be a battle between the Star Trek and Star Wars forces and somebody wouldn’t film it? 
That would make the Federation’s greatest land weapon Jake Sisko, since he’ll be an embedded reporter.
I just want to say… I love this thread.
Here’s a Star Wars vs. Star Trek database that might be helpful:
How can you argue that an ISD, ONE OF THEM could stand up the E-E when SEVERAL ISDs couldn’t do squat to the Falcon? A mere freighter with a few special modifications can completly elude, evade and embarrass those clowns.
A “mere freighter” with the fastest (albeit illegally acquired) hyperdrive in the galaxy, that can cross the entire galaxy in a matter of hours? And it’s piloted by the badass to end all badasses, no less.
Do I need to mention the extraordinarily silly way that the renegade Klingons managed to destroy the entire *Enterprise-*D? You’d think the best engineer in Starfleet would notice (or at least think to check) that his VISOR had been tampered with. Meanwhile, the supposed captain is playing hooky downstairs while leaving his friggin’ psychologist to pilot the ship!
I see no one has refuted the statement that Star Wars is just that much cooler.
I mean, Star Wars is the guy in the black leather jacket in the corner of the malt shop leaning on the jukebox, and Star Trek is the guy with taped glasses arguing with the soda jerk about the proper carbonation ratio.
Who’s taking the homecoming queen to the prom, huh? Star Wars. He’s Cary Grant, James Dean, and … blast it, who do the kids like these days … Morgan Freeman, all rolled into one.
Yes but Han did all of that in ESB when the hyperdirve was NOT working. So a non-FTL ship can’t be caught by several ISDs. ISD = lame.
OK I’ll bite.
Fist off if Star Wars is the guy in the black leather jacket wouldn’t he be too cool for the prom?
Yeah, Luke Skywalker, you know THE MAIN CHARACTER is really knows for his ‘coolness’.
You should also concede that the people in Star Trek, (the people in the Federation) are by and large much more intelligent than the people in Star Wars.
So yeah, Star Wars is cool but Star Trek is intelligent.
I did.
More or less. I didn’t want to dignify your lame assumption with a quoted reply, but the TANJ! I just can’t get a break! Apparantly, my invisibilty potion is affecting my posts.
Besides, the Pak Protectors would thrash everyone mentioned in this thread. And, no, I don’t mean Pakleds, either. TANJ!
Anyhoo… as to who is cooler, SW vs ST: Who did Triumph abuse? And who did Triumph side with? 'Nuff said.
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I'm a BIG nerd can I get in on this!
One thing about any discussion of SW vs ST is that you are literaly compairing apples to bannas.
Warp drive vs Hyperspace: Both are plot devices to allow the ship to move across space (space is big, I mean really big, you may think it’s a lon way…er, sorry). Asumming that both existed in the same universe, one can assume that the author would use the same plot device for moving across space, so if say a star destroyer and a Sovereign class starship were to face off both would have hyperdrive or both would have warp. The same with weaponry, both would have turbolazers or phazers.
So it come down to tactics:
Imperial Star Destroyer: Send out swarms of fighters, pound their defenses, move in and use the big guns to finish them off if necessary.
Any Star Trek ship: Fire phasers, once, twiddle thumbs. If the phazers cause any damage cease fire and allow enemy to recover. If enemy recovers enough to come after you REALLY PISSED NOW, run away firing photon torpedos in your wake.
I’ll leave it to you to decide which tactic is more effective.
Hmmm… let’s see,
Star Wars
6 mega-hit movies, merchandise, Darth Vader, lightsabre toys are way-cool, legions of fans. Billion dollar industry.
Star Trek
Countless movies, books, original show is nigh-unbeatable, cartoon, several TV spinoffs, Kirk, Spock, Scotty et al, lots of merchandise and part of our culture, legions of fans, billion dollar industry.
so let’s tally the scores:
Since I’ve randomly decided that my favorite charactor of them alll is Porkins.
Star Wars wins!
God help everyone if the Slavers showed up. Although Thrint vs Jedi might be fun … 
Again, we’re talking “fighting” here…the Star Destroyers in Empire were trying to capture the Falcon. If they wanted to destroy it, it would have been space dust in a matter of nano seconds…assuming they wanted the story to end that soon, but then we would have been left with a really boring movie wouldn’t we.
And in too many episodes and movies, it’s been proven that one can dodge photon torpedoes pretty easily, plus they seem to move really friggin slow. From all the refered sources, it seems the only time they travel faster than light is if fired from a ship traveling in warp. If the ship is standing still, they don’t go nearly that fast. If both ships are stuck with nothing but impulse, the field goes to the ISD. I’ve never seen a ship from Star Trek fire photon torpedoes during warp except when in persuit or being persued by something traveling at warp speed, so it doesn’t seem to be part of their standard tactics.
No fair bringing Niven into this fight. He can beat the crap out of Roddenberry and Lucas and all their sundry lackeys while blindfolded and hogtied.
Or the Enterprise could just fly forward and fire from the aft torpedo tube. Hey there’s another advantage for Trek, Imperial ships seem to have trouble moving or firing backwards. I suppose when your ship is a mile or more long you might have such problems…
Jar-Jar Binks vs. the Pakleds?
Let me just say, I find it very disturbing the glee some of you Star Wars nerds have when talking about beating the Federation. Our planet is part of the federation therfore what you say is treason.
And if Ben Sisko heard you saying that, he’d accuse you of immoral sedition…and then nerve gas your planet. 
Anyway, just for the record, I’d like to note that according to the ST Technical Manuals, Photon Torpedoes don’t have true warp engines, but “warp sustainer” engines. Basically, if they’re launched from a spacecraft traveling FTL (at warp) the torpedo’s sustainer will be able to keep it at warp speed for awhile. If you launch it at sublight speeds, it’ll never reach FTL speed on it’s own, but it will travel at up to 75% faster than it’s initial launch speed from the torpedo tube.
There are a few probe designs, based on a photon torpedo casing, that do have true warp engines onboard. The class IX Probe, for example, can sustain Warp 9 for 12 hours. It’s possible that Starfleet could rig one of these designs into a weapon—the onboard fuel supply alone would make a big enough “bang” I should think—but, factoring in the usual tactical brillience of starfleet, it’s not very likely.
Oh, and the onboard warhead of a Photon Torpedo uses 1.5 kilograms of Antimatter (and an equal amount of matter), which supposedly gives a yield of around 18 “Isotons.” Someone else who’s better at physics and math could probably make a good estimate of what the explosive yield of that much matter/antimatter would be in real life. (Although Trek usually makes it look about as big as a smallish propane tank explosion. I offer no excuses.)
And…it is possible to knock out an ISD’s shields, right? I mean, the Rebels must be able to—even if with difficulty—othewise they wouldn’t even bother to engage the Imperials in space at all, would they?
Sure, you just need a group of Mon Cal cruisers to pound on it, some X- and A-Wings to handle the TIEs, and some B- or a lot of Y-Wings to swarm the ISD and bomb the crap out of it. Not an easy feat of course, but doable. With Trek ships, you’d want a group of ships working together to take out an ISD. Those big Cardassian battleships from the last few episodes of DS9 with their giant blasto-beam-thingies could probably do some serious damage.
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Let’s assume total 100% annihilation of all 1.5 kg of matter and all 1.5 kg of antimatter involved in the reaction. (Realistically, the force of the initial blast would probably prevent the vast majority of the reactants from annihilating, but we can assume the Starfleet engineers have installed Heisenberg compensators or inertial dampeners or ambivulent bivationary falvebarms or something.)
From Einstein’s famous mass-energy equation, E = mc^2, we find that turning 3 kilograms of matter and antimatter into energy would result in 2.7 x 10^17 Joules of energy being released.
Now, according to this little note I have scribbled in the back cover of my physics textbook, 1 ton of TNT has an explosive yield of 4.18 x 10^9 Joules. So, converting the energy yield of our 3 kg of matter and antimatter from Joules into tons of TNT, we find that our photon torpedo’s warhead would deliver an explosion equal to 6.46 x 10^7 tons of TNT, or about 65 megatons.
Which, I suppose, means that 1 “Isoton” is equal to about 3.6 megatons.