How could you leave out the Eclipse-class Star destroyer from Dark Empire? If the Emperor weren’t such a pudwhacker that ship would still be kickin’ ass all over the galaxy.
Actually, the Lying Bastard was nowhere near as fast, it only had a Quantum I hyperdrive, which covered a ly in about 4 days. It would still totally destroy either ship - all it would have to do is ram it at 99.9% C with the stasis fields on.
Well, jeez, we DO want to be able to compare these things. That’s like comparing the Titanic to a fishing boat.
Everyone keep in mind that as I write this post, The Star Trek Encyclopedia, the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual and the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual in front of me.
The Picard Maneuver, SPOOFE. Picard, commanding the Stargazer, performed a warp jump, which confused the lightspeed sensors of the Ferengi ship (which was immediately destroyed).
Propulsion. According the the Encyclopedia transwarp is, “a velocity equalling warp 10, unattainable under normal warp theory. An object traveling at transwarp velocity would theoretically me moving infinitely fast, and would therefore in principle be occupying all points in the universe simultaneously.”
Thus, even if hyperspace is 1.5 million c, transwarp is still infinitely faster.
That takes care of the Borg. As for Starfleet, the USS Prometheus NX-59650 has, “the ability to travel at warp 9.9, making it the fastest vessel in Starfleet.” The Prometheus (“Message In A Bottle”, VGR) was introduced after the Enterprise-E. Warp 9.9 is equal to 3053c.
Weapons. Despite wonderful evidence on the Star Wars side, I have yet to see a satisfactory explanation of what a turbolaser really is (The link SPOOFE provided is biased. My sources, while completely Star Trek, are not trying to prove that Star Trek is better than Star Wars). From what the website says, turbolasers are beams of plasma produced from ionized tibanna gas. According to the TNG Tech. Manual, phasers are nadion beams. Nadions, “are short-lived subatomic particles possessing special properties related to high-speed interactions within atomic nuclei.” In short, phasers take apart the nuclei of your atoms. Photon torpedoes are antimatter bombs capable of warp travel. The explosive yeild is 18.5 isotons each. Quantum torpedoes are space twisting power packs which utilizes zero-point energy to achieve an explosive yield of 52.3 isotons. No, I don’t know what an isoton is. Whatever the hull of an ISD is made of, it’s guaranteed to get battered by these torpedoes.
The matter of shields seems to have been paid little attention to. Imperial Star Destroyers have no shields. Shields are highly focused regions of spatial distortion caused by gravitons. The Enterprise could locate the highly prominent control room(through its Swiss Army kife array of sensors) and beam a security team to it in seconds. Or, the Enterprise could beam quantum torpedoes to the engine room.
Furthermore, the Enterprise doesn’t look like it was made from lego blocks. It is aesthetically pleasing without a doubt.
If holodecks, replicators and transporters exist in Star Wars, why aren’t they used?
Conclusion: If you can’t see the conclusion after reading all of this methodically obtained evidence, go watch a Star Wars movie. There’s no hope for you.
Badtz Maru
Hometownboy
Let’s just move the whole planet.
Unicron.
Just eat anything that looks at you funny. And there ain’t no Jedis, Federation officers, Galacticans, or whoever else with an Autobot Matrix to give him trouble, either.
Uh… wrong. The Picard Maneuver is thus: Jump into warp / Jump out of warp / Fire.
I’m talking about “Shooting at a slower-than-light target while traveling faster-than-light.” The Picard Maneuver doesn’t do that… it creates two targets on the screen by making it seem as if it were in two places at once (which is odd… subspace sensors should be able to detect that the ship moved, AND a smart person would shoot the NEW target).
Sorry, but the canon episodes override the official sourcebooks. Voyager’s stint with the Borg has told us that “Transwarp” and “Warp 10” are two completely different things altogether.
Think of it this way… Warp 10 is infitinite velocity, occupying all points at the same time (the episode where Tom Paris achieved Warp 10 - and promptly began hyper-evolving - told us this). Then there was the Ep where Voyager managed to steal a transwarp coil, and then went into transwarp themselves for a bit. If they were traveling at infinite speed, they’d be home right now and the series would have been over years ago (which would have been a GOOD thing, but, alas…).
From The Star Wars Encyclopedia…
So they’re obviously not “regular” laser cannons, but the possibility remains that they’re still based on normal lasers to do their damage. However, as I’ve said before, lasers travel at C. Turbolasers do not.
The popular theory goes that turbolasers are a form of plasma, but plasma is a form of matter, while the Encyclopedia says it’s a form of energy. “Super-charged” energy at that.
Ergo, we have to conclude that “turbolasers” are a form of exotic and heretofore undiscovered energy that causes massive damage and is NOT a laser.
So what? “Biased” doesn’t equal “wrong”. Are you denying that turbolasers completely vaporized huge, very-dense asteroids in “Empire”? 'Cuz we all saw it happen, pal.
If the lower-end power estimates of a turbolaser is even halfway accurate, a full salvo from an ISD would obliterate the 'Prise in a single barrage. Think the E could launch more than a single torp in less than a second?
You’re wrong. They do. Frankly, I’m shocked that anyone would be capable of not knowing this fact.
But, anyway, since I like guiding people along by the hand, I’ll rectify your ignorance. Again, from the Star Wars Encyclopedia…
There goes your “no shields” notion.
No, it couldn’t. The ISD has shields that keeps out such forms of energy.
Yeah, it’s so fragile it needs structural integrity fields in order to keep from falling apart under standard maneuvers. A single run of TIE Bombers across the “neck” would blow the thing in half.
They ARE.
Holodecks: Used for simulations (and zoo exhibits for extinct animals :D). NOT used for frivolous measures on a warship.
Replicators: They ARE used. They’re just not called “replicators”, nor do they make food appear in a twinkling of computer-generated lights that make audiences go “oooh” and “aaah”.
Transporters: Are you shittin’ me? Haven’t you seen how many transporter accidents have occurred? Crewmen getting duplicated, or merged, in transit, people getting trapped in alternate dimensions 'cuz of them, crewmen getting TRAPPED IN THE TRANSPORTER BEAM ITSELF (until Reg Barclay found them and rescued them), people getting stuck in a transporter buffer for seventy years… They’re not used because they’re unreliable and dangerous.
You’ve never watched Star Wars, have you? Or Star Trek? And your evidence wasn’t “methodically obtained”… it’s quite flawed.
Jefferson Starship, with Capt. Grace Slick out front, nobody messed with them.
What?!
What do ya mean thats not what they meant.?
Oh that.
Nevermind.:o
Whoops. You’re right, Badtz–I was conflating two books. The first trip to the Ringworld was made in the Long Shot itself, with stasis fields to alleviate crowding and supply problems. The Lying Bastard came later. It’s still has the coolest name in the history of science fiction, though.
I didn’t bring up the GP hulls and stasis fields because they take all the competition out of this (in other words, they’re the trump cards). If the fuel and supplies held out, the Lying Bastard could take on the Death Star alone and eventually cut it into pieces. The Death Star could burn out its main reactor without doing more than shove the stasis-shielded ship around.
The ramming maneuver you describe would require Outsider help, or blowing a trillion stars on the secret of their intertialess drive (unless the Puppeteers get it when they accelerated the Rosette). Known Space hyperdrive ships aren’t that fast in normal space–there’s no real point, as they only travel in normal space while deep in gravity wells.
Known Space ships CAN approach C, they just don’t do so very often since the purchase of the hyperdrive. The pre-hyperdrive ramrobots got really close to C, I think even the slowboats got to above .8 C. Even after the hyperdrive there have been occasions to go that fast, like when Beowulf Shaffer went to the antimatter planet - they had to accelerate to a good portion of C before going there to match velocities.
True, it would be very difficult for them to ram a ship at a good portion of C, even the best non-Outsider drives can only manage a couple of hundred Gs, most warships top out at around 50, it would require hours of acceleration to reach C without Outsider help. But they wouldn’t need that kind of speed, with invulnerability and fusion engines used as weapons.
The Lying Bastard would be crippled by ramming techniques, however, since it’s engines were on the wing, outside the GP hull.