Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out)

Uh, how many are we up to at this point?

I guess it’s an easy thing to say when you’re set to retire.

I’d hope that most American voters would be unwilling to vote for “a doddering old man” who’s incapable of handling the incredibly tough job of being President of the USA. Of course, quite a lot of Americans will vote for anyone who isn’t Donald Trump. And many of them think “a doddering old man” applies equally to Trump. But the problem for Biden’s prospects isn’t the strength of the anti-Trump faction. It’s voters who won’t be willing to vote for a candidate they think will be a bad president. Those voters will either stay home, or select or write-in someone besides Biden and Trump. The Democratic Party putting forward a candidate besides Biden is risky. But is it less risky than having “a doddering old man” as their candidate?

In what way is he worse than a brain-damaged rapist?

They are in lockstep with a weak candidate who is an demogogic convicted felon.

And both the Democrats and Republicans win about half the time. The GOP does not have a magic formula for winning that supposed honorable idiots like Schumer and Jeffries lack.

One reason that I switched from from being a registered Republican to the Democratic Party, in early 2016, was the lies of the remaining GOP presidential candidates (Ted Cruz and Donald Trump).

I don’t agree with everything in a Democratic Party platform. But I do agree with being true to yourself, and true to me. Throw this away, and I’m not the only one the Democrats will lose. If it happens, that will be something to panic over.

So you endorse Biden returning the $20,000,000 plus he raised in just the most recent fundraising event and not want any of his expat money to any candidates in the future?

Anyway the significance is not his star power. It is that he is biased to Biden and recently spent time with him. His assessment is based on personal knowledge and is a big deal.

Well that is to some degree out of habit and stinginess over forking out for a subscription to Silver’s site. Generally he was the brains of the brand.

And as noted he is much more pessimistic. He calls for Biden to quit the race.

I can accept that Biden’s feebleness on display only hurt him modestly because it is already baked in: the changeable voters already believed he is that which is partly why they lean to Trump. But Silver’s point is the cogent one: since he appears to be incapable of performing in a way to reverse that then he has a very small chance of digging back out. Yes, he’s telling us there’s a chance! :slightly_smiling_face: Pretty much this position is set in stone barring some major unforeseen events.

Harris for better or worse has an unknown future. We can each believe or not believe our guesses but they are less set in stone to fail than Biden’s is.

It’s obviously never happened in a Presidential election, but isn’t dying after the ballot has been finalised generally a stimulus for winning an election? Maybe it’s only the dead winners who are reported, but it does seem to make the news every few years.

And if this were 1992 it’d be another election cycle.

But, given what the Supreme Court has done recently and Project 2025 conservatives are not even pretending anymore. Their assault on democracy is here. This election matters more than most.

I’m reading a huge amount of news about Democrat concerns and Republican gloating about Biden’s bad debate performance where he looked confused and old, leading to allegations of senility. My opinion is that if that’s a one-time event, Biden can survive it. If it happens again, there will be far more adverse news. Enough so that it will make a Biden candidacy untenable. Can I prove that? No. But I can think of several Presidential candidates, mainly in the primaries, who had their campaigns crash because of bad news. Including Biden when he had to drop out of a race to be the Democratic Party candidate for President due to plagiarism. I think senility is a bit worse than plagiarism.

It has happened again as I posted above:

Are you counting on voters holding their noses and voting for “a doddering old man” as being better than “a brain-damaged rapist”? Given those choices, I think a lot of potential voters would find something better to do, and other voters who actually go to the polling station would choose neither of the above.

He’s floundering now, and he’s 81. In four more years, he’ll be 85, if he’s still alive. He can think what he wants, but the odds are against him being the type of leader America needs for the next four years,

I can see that. I think this election is Bidens to lose. All we gotta do is get the media- supposedly the LIBERAL media- ha ha ha- to stop campaigning for trump. Stop with the Big GOP lies- the economy is bad and crime is out of control. Stop with the Biden is senile op-eds.

I dont care. If he beats trump, and then dies anytime after Jan 20th, we have a win.

But that is unlikely, trumps health is worse.

And if he doesn’t? And if the Dems also lose the House and the Senate? I’m siding with George Clooney on this one.

How about this for a choice?
“Please don’t let a brain-damaged rapist become President.”
Leave Biden totally out of the picture, and make it a grand campaign against Trump. Identify him as a rapist at every opportunity, at press conferences ask him if he regrets raping women, print news reports and opinions as to whether a rapist is fit to be President etc. If you bring up Biden, mention that, as far as we know, he isn’t a rapist. If a Republican is questioned ask them why they support a rapist.
Shove reality right down their throats until they choke on it.

Now that’s a fantastic ad campaign. President Biden: As far as we know, he isn’t a rapist.

Okay, but right now the polls are saying Biden has the best chance. Thus we stick with him.

And good news- the RNC is now 100% trump, and thus those down ballot small races will get DNC $$, not RNC $$, since every dollar of RNC cash is going to trump.

What the Democrats doubting Biden have in common: They’re more moderate while his backers are progressive and racially diverse.

If I’m not mistaken, and I may be, that pattern is seen in this thread. Personally, I am a white centrist.

What I cannot figure out is why this would be. It’s hard to see any replacement being more moderate than Biden. And Harris, the most likely replacement by far, was, before being veep, a bit to Biden’s left, and is Black.

Possibility: I’m agreeing with the right on something when saying there is a legitimate cognitive issue. I would say this is along the lines of a stopped clock being right twice a day.

Nah-just bring it up whenever then conversation ignores the orange-haired wooly mammoth in the room just to point out Biden’s supposed deficiencies.

Moderate Dems more likely to be in swing seats and see Biden as a potential drag on their own campaign, maybe? I’m not sure it’s actually true – I think we might be about to discover ticket-splitting isn’t dead, after all, especially if it looks like Trump is going to win and the double-haters see a D congress as a potential guardrail against his worst excesses – but it’s plausible that they might be thinking that way.

That surprises me.

I fear the “moderates” are of the crowd that say, “both sides are the same,” and they see this as reason enough to switch their vote.