Biden considering dropping out (Update: Biden drops out)

CNN top headline right now. The President now has a bedtime

I can see that. Regular sleep patterns are good for everyone. Wish I could do it.

But, boy is Trump gonna fly with the Sleepy Joe crap, more!

The exact language is that, “The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves.” The Constitution does not further define what it means to be an “Inhabitant,” but Cheney got a Wyoming driver’s license and sold his Texas home. I believe there were some attempted lawsuits, but they didn’t go anywhere.

In our hypothetical, couldn’t President Harris call a joint session of Congress specifically for the purpose of having that vote, thus removing Johnson from the process?

I don’t know. Does Congress have to accommodate a request for a joint session?

No. The President has no power to call the Congress into a joint session. Joint sessions themselves are very rare and are almost solely to hear the SOTU or another major address or to certify the electoral count.

That is possibly the worst message to send to voters you are trying to show how vibrant and on the top of the game that you are.

Yeah; the optics on that message are absolutely awful.

If he strictly observed the “no events after 8 pm” rule, that’s no more state dinners, ever. That really seems like a laying the groundwork for an honorable exit, to me.

On the other hand, if it’s not and the message is “I’m almost fine!”, we’re doomed.

I think an after 8pm social event wouldn’t be quite as stressful as a 90 minute debate.

From what I’ve read he’s very good with people and can talk to anyone pretty easily.
Or could.
Otherwise, he’s sundowning.

I really really hate to think that. I love the guy.

Unless I’m reading it wrong, that’s not what the Constitution says.

The President can and has convened both Houses separately on extraordinary occasions. The Constitution does not give him authority to force them to sit as a joint body.

OTOH: she could travel extensively and have a lot of photo op’s with key european (et al) leaders, which I am sure would accomodate their agenda to lend a hand … and keep the orange monkey off their back

Besides the problem of confirming a VP — which the Repubes would stonewall, legally or otherwise— there’s also the issue that whoever accepts the offer would have to resign whatever job they have now and take the VP job, which, if the stonewalling works, they may never actually get, and even if they do get it, they may not have very long, depending the outcome of the election. Undoubtedly there are people who would jump at that gamble, but I think I the slate of potentials would be truncated and some really good prospects would set themselves off the table.

Best thing to do, for these and other reasons, is for Biden to stay Prez, and Kamala pick the best VP candidate.

It may happen. But someone who cannot effectively debate also cannot do the arguably world’s hardest job. If he hangs onto office, he deserves to lose the sympathy that would come from an admission of disability.

The Senate isn’t 50-50, so having a veep is not now essential.

But if Harris becomes President next month, and she wants to win over median voters, so as to actually be elected to a full term this November, she could ask congress to approve a highly centrist figure as veep, who could actually get confirmed, just until January. Manchin? Even better, a Republican. If he will take it, Mike Pence.

Crazy? Do we really want to stop Trump?

Wow. Just wow. The man stumbles in one debate, and against a 3 ½ year record of doing more for this country than any president has in the past 50 years against incredible odds, he must now admit to a “disability” or lose the “sympathy” that would come from such an admission.

Moreover, taking any step that puts the fate of who Democrats choose as their nominees into Republican hands is madness. They’re just licking their chops and gleefully can’t believe some Democrats are even entertaining such a stupid move.

You know who’s flogging this “Biden is senile” narrative hard on social media and everywhere else they can get away with it? Republicans, their henchmen at Sinclair, Fox, OAN, Russians, North Korea, Iran, China and many other enemies of this nation. And some people who claim to be Democrats fall for it every single time.

If Biden chooses to not drop out, it will be because he has considered all possible options and determined there is no better course forward. It won’t be because of ego or pride or anything other than what is best for this nation. If you don’t know that about this man, then you don’t know anything about him. He’s good and decent and despite 50 years of public service, is not corrupt.

If we end up with Trump again, it will be because some Democrats created a self-fulfilling prophesy.

It just means that Biden is A-OK if he gets his rest and isn’t disturbed late in the day.

As long as there are no crises for Joe to handle after 4 pm, everything will be swell. It’s a great message to send voters. :crazy_face:

This should be the final nail in the coffin for Biden’s candidacy. Whether he does the right thing and withdraws in time is doubtful.

And that’s a message CNN is choosing to send to voters, not Joe Biden. Maybe you haven’t noticed their rightward shift since changes in management.

Outside of Tom Clancy novels, has this “it’s 3 AM and there’s a decision that only the president can make and it has to be made RIGHT THE FUCK NOW” scenario ever actually occurred?

The only thing I can think of that would possibly rise to that level would be having to order a nuclear strike, in which case we’re all dead in less than an hour regardless of whether the president gets out of bed or not.

9/11 rose to that level of need. And we saw how the young, virile president in that moment reacted. It’s not about age.