Biden v Trump: June 27 debate (Live debate comment here)

The gish gallop is a rhetorical technique. The counter is to realize you have no obligation to refute nor address every point your opponent raises. Talk to the larger audience with your message that resonates with them.

I’m ok with Biden wrapping up with a list of infrastructure gains. The abortion arguement can’t be settled in 90 seconds.
He should have pointed out that the House Republicans blocked new funding for border judges and clearing houses.
I think Biden should have denounced the SCOTUS ruling on allowing gratuity payments to politicians. That would shock a lot of people. Thanks John Roberts.

Could the Democratic Party pull that off by convincing him to step down?

Of him stepping down from the ticket or of their being calls from Democrats for him to do exactly that? Because I 100% expect prominent party members to call for him to step aside almost immediately.

Van Jones: “I love that man (Biden). That was personally painful. It’s not just panic. It’s pain.”

mmm

Is there even a mechanism for that?

I’d say pray Biden wins the election and then have him step down in two-years and one day after he starts his second term and then let Harris take over.

Both.

It would be supremely short-sighted of “prominent party members” to make such a call based on one subpar debate performance where he was clearly struggling with a cold.

What if Jill Biden wants him to?

There is going to be enormous pressure on Biden to step down over the next few weeks. Not sure it will work but even if it doesn’t it’s hard to see how it doesn’t weaken him further.

I fully concur with the “disaster” verdict.

I’ve always liked Biden since the Obama days, but he’s no longer the man for the job. It doesn’t matter what he said, even if one could understand him which many of us could not some of the time – it matters even more that he looked like he might die before the night is out, never mind before another four years.

One debate… If Trump is smart he’ll keep it at one and just use this as fodder.

He’s got a cold. Is our standard now “candidate who is immune to disease”? Good luck finding one of those.

If you want Trump to win, then you should absolutely be calling for Biden to step aside.

Biden lost this debate the moment he left the make-up table, just like Nixon. He looked like a corpse, and sounded like a wraith. All of his answers were smarter, more coherent, and saner than Trump’s, but that won’t matter in the least. He might as well have showed up in a shroud.

I’m so ticked off right now. Ticked off and terrified. Biden confirmed everybody’s worst fears. Og help us.

I thought for a minute he might be having a stroke.
Good grief.

Terrible.

Colds do not make you act like that.

That might be a hard conversation that needs to be had. trump needs to be stopped, and if Joe can’t do it I’m perfectly okay with them bringing in someone who can.

I think Biden has been a fine president, and I think he would continue to be a fine president if re-elected. But he has to get re-elected, and the odds of that are looking shakier by the minute.

Colds don’t give you a cough and a hoarse voice? That’s news to me.

Exactly my thought. And I suspect @Smapti will be seriously disappointed with what other Dems will do and say in coming days. The NYT is going to have a field day with what happened tonight and they are supposedly a liberal paper.

Just remember to take all the opinions and divide them by 10. It’s not as bad or good as you’re feeling or who you’re watching on TV.

Time to draft an Obama!