Of course we are.
Far, far behind you. 
Send us a text when you get there, 'kay?
Generally, I am skeptical of Meier’s claims because of how they directly contradict what we know about “flying saucers” from the Shaver Mystery.
I’m willing to compromise here. When 2029 rolls around, if everyone has seen the light of Meiers’ revealed truth I’ll come back and admit I was wrong. Fair enough?
Finally, for once in my life, I’m ahead of the curve! :rolleyes:
- Name calling and debunking by belittling people on the opposite side of the opinion, is not very holistic and overly aggressive. That is unnecessary behavior, if one is a true master then one would never put himself above others.
This poor man’s argument approach is relied upon by the skeptics who have no solid foundation to rest their arguments upon which is based on logic, fact and verifiable proof of their claim of fraud.
Engaging in character assassination and put downs are always a sign of intellectual weakness and moral deficiency and serve as a source of psychological comfort to those who suffer from any variations of inferiority complex who by way of reinforcing or rather telling white lies to themselves that they are better than another, they are thus protecting themselves against emotional shattering which often can be attributed to early childhood trauma and parental abuse and neglect among many other reasons.
- Yet if one wants to seek the truth, or what is close to “fact”, then critical questions are necessary and it’s through questioning that new knowledge and wisdom are learned. But here are some critical questions that are unanswered by the Billy Meier case, or perhaps they are - maybe I have missed something.
a) Having looked at the supportive evidence of the WCUFO photos, there are some discrepancies. The paper with the “Blender” simulations and different distance calculating formulas - is incomplete and has assumptions on some variables (factors that affect the calculations).
Can you elaborate on why you think it is incomplete and when you talk of assumptions on some variables, by this, what are you referring to from this Zahi report.
Which makes it an incomplete investigation. Blender’s engine does not by default calculate exact modeling of our world, because the engines algorithms for light diffusion and specular reflection are not real world but are simulated (to get to real world, some fine tuning has to be done) None of this is mentioned in the paper.
In the paper it states that ‘the model of the WCUFO does not pretend to be a detailed representation of this UFO’ and the objective was to see the reflection from the spheres for positioning purposes.
Furthermore there are factors, like the unknown true size of the reflected image in the metallic spheres - in the real picture (since it’s blurry and not HD, maybe there was Vaseline on the lens?).
Billy used a thick glass in front of his camera so as to prevent his photos being adversely effected by the close proximity with the WCUFO which suggests that they emit certain radiation that ruins the film if the camera gets too close to it hence the blurry aspects to the photo. This was also mentioned in the contact notes when Billy was taken for a trip into outer space but also there were other occasions after photo opportunity where his photos were damaged due to the explanation given above.
There is no indication of Vaseline or contamination from foreign bodies present on those photos nor have they been mentioned suggesting that the use of thick glass as the more plausible explanation for the blurry effect.
A minor change in that factor can variate the final “diameter” of the UFO by a very large margin, the range can be from 0.5metres to 20metres! Hence this paper is BY NO MEANS PROOF yet! But a nice start in the direction of an investigation, although no conclusive results in there!
If you consider the stereoscopic close up image of the WCUFO in figure 2 the measurements of the proportion of the sphere diameter, carriage house wall, roof width and roof extension are given in units to calculate the size of the UFO and its distance to the camera.
As the figures show from the ‘blender’ calculations the Rch is roughly 34.9% of the sphere which is close to the proportions shown on the actual WCUFO and the proportions are not dependent on the size of the sphere modeled as the law of refraction is the same for all. This means that the minor change to cause wide discrepancy as probable is not applicable in this instance.
b) The spiritual teachings spread by Billy Meier are not exclusively new and attributed to his personal experience, but in fact have been around for quiet some time, in many different kinds of cultures and traditions. From Buddhism to Christianity, the core values are; love, compassion towards all living beings, forgiveness, understanding, respect for free will and peace within. From them stem the characteristics of; non-judgement, support, caring, kindness and etc. A person who reached such a level of inner harmony (became en-lightened) is no longer conflicted within himself and with others, and will live a peaceful life. A society who reached such a level, and have advanced technology, can only be presumed also have a higher level of life and mastery of skills (sciences, arts, etc). So to claim that one man is the only prophet who must be listened to exclusively, is to ignore the many wise and enlightened people before/after him. Also it’s idolization, which unfortunately happens a lot in our society to this day. Instead of living the teaching, the wisdom that is being passed, many of us idolize and instead live like “followers”.
If you’ve read the contact notes and his redelivered Creational spiritual teachings, you would be party to some of the most far out concepts that you’ve never even heard of from the so called organized mainstream cult religions of our world throughout our history.
Obviously I will have to concede that some of the aspect of Billy’s information cannot be verified or corroborated such as reincarnation and the existence of the immortal spirit that dwells within every human being as we cannot prove it beyond the shadow of doubt with our current scientific knowledge but according to Billy, this is fact.
Then obviously this opens up a drastic shift in paradigm where not only does the immortal spirit continues to evolve through the cycle of life and rebirth through the human being but that Billy’s spirit form has been ordained since ancient times to live the life of a herald or the truth announcer for which he is the 7th and the last prophet lineage tasked with the difficulty and the enormous responsibilities of bringing the ultimate truth of Creation, spirit and existence to the masses.
Since it is stated that all religions are the falsification of the original spiritual teachings of Creation, you cannot but notice the similarities in concept as well as the essence of his teachings with other religions.
There is no other words other than ‘belief’, ‘GOD’, ‘idolisation’, ‘adoration’ and so on that the truthseekers disdain more than as these words as all organized religion revolves around believing in some supreme beings, deities, an all seeing Creator GOD that has the power over life and death who people must worship and adore and relegate all their responsibilities towards.
It’s such an absurd concept like these that Billy’s redelivered teachings shatter into a thousand pieces by introducing a bit of reason, logic and common sense into people through the power and light of the truth and so you will be hard pressed to find anyone finding a one armed farmer from out in the middle of nowhere in the Swiss alps worth adoring or to be attracted by from his outward appearance.
Why does the WCUFO look like its designed by a 70’s funky engineering team? By Billy’s words and other UFOlogists, advanced beings/races have reached interstellar travel - a MILLENNIUM ago (or more), so why would a race’s level of ship model design change on a 10 year basis, or even every 100 years? Wouldn’t it be so advanced and harmonized to remain the same design over at-least 100 years?
The explanation given by Semjase the ET Plejaren friend of Billy was that the atmosphere of earth had a very corrosive effect to their beamships but in addition to that, they are also making technological progress in leaps and bounds therefore just as we here on earth have lineup of numerous models of cars that are continuously upgraded and redesigned with new gadgets and features every fall, the Plejaren also upgrade their ships with new technology and install newly created technologies into them for whatever purposes suits them.
Mind you the WCUFO isn’t the only model and design that they have and judging by what was said during his trip into outer space on Ptaah’s giant mothership, they must have literally thousands of variations of beamships housed inside the mothership.
Why do some videos of Billy’s (some that I have seen with Japanese interviewers) have the discs flying in repetitive circular motions as if on a pendulum or even on a hanging on a string? And he even states on the video, something on the lines of “usually they fly in direct motions in straight paths”. Well where is that video? Where are the videos where they fly in direct paths but also maybe in zig zags, or different formations? Nowadays there are videos out there (even Youtube) of cool flying vectors by UFO’s…Why didn’t we see that in the 1970’s?
We have to get into the twilight zone of the semi-plausible deniability factor on this one as the Plejaren have purposefully maneuvered the ship to look like it was suspended on a pendulum so as to create a controversy as they have determined through psychological profile of earthlings that once something is determined and is no longer a mystery to us, people lose interest and stop bothering with it.
Besides there are other film segments that Billy took as you can see for yourself in this link.
And when questioned about the ship’s lower disc structure looking quiet similar to the lid of the branded round plastic container. There is a whole new story of telepathic communications with the Nazi’s and blueprints getting passed on to modern engineers? Was this answer really given by Billy? If yes, then our space friends who have time travel made a gross misjudgement almost gave superior technology to the insane Nazi regime…Isn’t that contrary to the spiritual teachings
Well if you read on a little more of the contact notes you will notice that Hitler started out not quite the evil despot he is projected to be from our history lessons and that he had the good intention of wanting to unite the world in peace and solidarity but all this went to the shits the moment the malicious group of ETs stationed under the Giza pyramids called the giza intelligences and the bafath influenced him through the secret, occultist and evil Thule society and also through their highly technological telenotic mind control devices.
Yes it is right that the Plejaren sent impulses to German scientists for the UFO technology which they thought would be used by Hitler for peaceful and world uniting purposes but like they have admitted on numerous occasion, they aren’t all supreme and super human beings that we earthlings project them as, as they are only human beings just like us with faults and tendency to make mistakes.
It’s a complex history of intrigue and struggles created in no lesser part than by the malicious Giza intelligences and the bafath who at every turn worked to undermine Billy, the Plejaren & Federation members and the humanity itself.
According to Billy’s information, all the major wars we’ve had throughout our history can be traced back to the work of Giza Intelligence who tried to rule the world through barbarity and extermination of millions of people.
Anyways none of the points/observations above are to cause dispute, they are questions and points. Nor does it try to dispute the big question… Are we alone in the Universe?
Well according to latest findings by NASA’s satellites, there are quiet many Earth-like planets (air,water,atmosphere) that are presumed to have been discovered (Google it). And the sheer magnitude of the size of the Universe, makes it statistically very highly likely we aren’t. (again try and turn off the exclusivity ego within) Plus the fact that there are now quiet many videos online of amazing UFO footage, numerous multi-witnessed accounts of such events around the world, and some declassified government information which points to the fact to the existence of Unidentified Flying Objects.
Good point and noted in the same spirit it was given
Good on ya Johhny.
oooh. I’ll sit back and watch the call-and-response until the entire catechism is done.
Horseshit, I mean utterly dogshit!
Look how long it took for Ptolemy’s system to be replaced by Copernican system
Everyone for centuries upon centuries and even eminent scientists among them thought that the earth was the center of the universe and now look where that went, yes down the drain
Scientists, just because they are scientists doesn’t mean that they have the sole authority to the truth nor just because of their position they know everything under the sun.
They are prone to the same mistake as any other human being.
Plus science is an inexact art if you will, as this field is constantly revising old theories which once dominated convention of the day.
But they are taking seriously Nicloai Tesla’s theories of free energy system once again and made some success when most thought this guy was a lunatic.
Here is the evidence
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/oulist.htm
And why would you dismiss the possibility that these UFO emit radiations that effect the film inside the camera as one possibility that Meier’s photos turn out blurry.
Photos of UFO taken afar seems not to be effected.
Only the closeups
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Gallery
On what evidence would you imply that I was Johhny or visa versa?
This will help as an adjunct to understanding the TJ
The statistical improbability that four unconnected individuals interested in Meier would jon this message board within days of each other after a good 14 years with nary a peep.
Also, the fact that his post was beautifully set up to prompt a “civilized” reply from you, with the opportunity to respond with your chosen talking points. Looks like a classic Socratic dialog setup.
Neither he nor you have established any credibility on this forum as of yet. I am willing to be persuaded in the case of “johhny” pending further contributions to the board as a whole.
But you are missing the point.
Where in any instance has Billy Meier ever done this?
You lay claim as an absolute the origin of the use of “J” from a more recent period of history than what is given in TJ yet the translated text of TJ was from a parchment preserved in a resin for nearly 2000 years whose co-discoverer did most of the translating, so it outdates your sources by many centuries.
So whats the problem?
Same way you pronounce Immanuel
No and that’s an unequivocal no with an N
So there is nothing to read in these words OK
A yes means a yes and a no means a no.
Got it!
Yes, The Book of Matthew may have been written as early as 125 AD. If any one can come up with the original Book Of Matthew I want to see it.
Yes, the Talmud Jmmanuel and Matthew may both be false-- that’s not impossible. But that’s not probable. It’s most probable that one is the original and the other is a falsification. The evidence favors the TJ as the original. They can’t both be originals --that’s impossible.
The Plejaren ET’s claim their alphabet came first. If you compare the Hebrew alphabet with the Plejaren the similarity is obvious.
I’m not going to get into the spirit teachings other than to mention the gods were nothing more than extraterrestrial humans and earth humans have the potential to evolve to that level through consciousness expansion and spiritual evolution.
Jmmanuel is pronounced like Immanuel is pronounced in the Book of Matthew.
They laughed at Galileo, they laughed at Edison, they laughed at the Wright Brothers!
They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
I didn’t say they were blurry, I said they looked like photos of models. The problem is depth of field.
Unless you’re using a very small aperture, you get a limited depth of field. If you photograph a model from up close, it forces the background to be further out of focus than it would be with a full sized item. You shorten the focal length because you have to be closer to the item to have it fill the frame, and your focal length is further away from the correct length for the background.
Unsurprisingly, this is less of a problem with photos taken from far away, and a huge problem with closeups.
And why would that be seeing as it adds more weight to the credibility of the case given that someone as skeptical as myself who take no bullshit and shit for brain answers, my bullshit-o-meter on hyperdrive, would never fail to detect even with a micro sniff of it.
But obviously you don’t know me as I don’t know you, no offense of course but your assumption of my gullibility implies some level of weakness on my part for stating that the Billy Meier case is true rather than entertaining the possibility that you may be the one who has got it wrong and thus certain level of immodesty on your part.
Sorry the other way around
Should be ‘I thought I used logic and reason’
WTF
What blog?
You didn’t get a micro-sniff of bullshit from “Those are fake photos, sure, but I took real photos of aliens and dinosaurs, then the Men in Black swapped the fake photos for my real ones, and I didn’t notice. No, I don’t have the real photos anymore.” ?
Also, surely you realize that there’s no one who considers themselves credulous? We all think we’re skeptical and discerning. Turns out, some of us are wrong, but it’s not something you can self-diagnose.