Here’s a link that goes into the timing of his Jupiter predictions(and a bunch of others).
Despite the claims our friends are making, the first publication is after Voyager 1 saw the rings.
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You don’t seem to grasp the concept of burden of proof here.
If I tell you that there are fairies living at the bottom of my garden, it’s not up to you to prove they don’t exist. You may believe me or not as you choose. If I want widespread recognition of those fairies, though, it’s up to ME to prove that they exist.
Well if you have presented materials of proof and any evidence backing up your claim of course it’s only natural to cross check and to verify whether they are legit and true or whether its false.
You, like Billy Meier, simply want to make a bunch of completely ludicrous claims and then sit back and wait for us to go to the effort to disprove them. Meier’s goal isn’t to prove all of this crap he made up; it’s to sell books and videos. If you buy his book and decide it’s bogus, he doesn’t care. You already gave him money.
They are ludicrous only to you because you haven’t done your due diligence and checked whether his claims are true or false through impartial research untainted by your preconceived ideas and prejudices.
What he really needs to make his scam work is a bunch of credulous followers who will believe everything he says because they so badly want to believe. Those followers don’t understand the scientific method, they don’t understand peer review, they don’t understand reproducible results, and they certainly don’t care whether Meier can back his claims.
No you are wrong, we are much too smart to fall for any BS than what you give us credit for.
The only requirement is to independently think for yourself to come to an unbiased truth in logic.
There are just far too many compelling evidence and proof to not come to the conclusion of its genuineness.
I don’t believe that you’re here to have a debate. You’re here to proselytize. Your mind is closed, your opinions are set, and you don’t care what evidence may or may not be provided. Arguing with you is a complete and utter waste of time.
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Believe what you will but I am not here to proselytize, the religious nuts are doing a far better job of that but I do care that people think through Billy Meier’s ET contact case with logic, fairness and honesty so that it is revealed for the truth that it is in light of proof beyond reasonable doubt
Gee Sigene can’t you come up with something original
This is a classic bait and switch trick and this amateur attempt at sophistry is childish at best
No because the context in which it had occurred I understand fully
check this out
Of course there are many con-men out there but that doesn’t mean that everyone is one.
Hey man I should be the one asking you this question of how can there be a debate if you don’t even know what proving a negative means.
The burden of proof lies with the one who is making the claim and extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof for which Billy Meier has abundantly provided for so the premise of your question rests on a fallacy because Billy is not using the techniques of reductio ad adsurdum to argue his case but only through his evidence and proof material presented which people conveniently choose to ignore.
See this is the same old problem that we always encounter with the skeptics, they have a propensity to put words in Billy’s mouth rather than doing their due diligence by hearing from the horses mouth directly.
Where in any of Billy’s literature and writing did he claim that Darwin’s theory of evolution was false, can you please enlighten me with a citation or a reference.
What he did ask Ptaah his Plejaren extraterrestrial friend was about this
Billy Oh well, I have here yet another question, because someone has asked me for an answer in the bulletin regarding on what Charles Darwin, in 1859, has constructed his theory of evolution, that the human is descended from apes.
I learned from your father, Sfath, that Darwin falsified an ape skeleton in order to demonstrate his theory, whereby however his assertion, being that the human descended from apes, did not just grow out of his own rubbish.
In reality, as Sfath explained, Charles Darwin was linked with Tibetan Buddhists, who told him of the Tibetan legend, according to which all humans descend from eight different branches of apes.
Can I convey my answer in this way?
No and as Billy said on numerous occasions we earthlings must solve our own problems and that no ETs are going to come down from the sky to fix any of the mess that we ourselves have made on planet earth.
We alone are the one’s who are responsible for solving our own problems as we alone are the one’s who’ve created the plethora of problems that have come back to haunt us through our own ill thoughts, intentions, feelings and actions.
It doesn’t hurt to have someone like Billy who is still in contact with the Plejaren ETs after all these years to received sagely advise from them who can impart wise instructions and recommendations in how to solve our problems.
Yeah but neither has Billy and BTW he is having face to face contact with his ET friends from the Plejares as opposed to being imaginary.
To your first point, I quoted Billy directly.
To your second point, I gave a citation and reference.
And what does that prove?
Honestly, please no joke. Can you give me some insight as to why you believe billy, but don’t believe me. I really do want to know.
I just really honest to goodness don’t understand, why you don’t believe me:(
If you’ve really spent any time pondering the words of this many astronauts, maybe you’ve noticed how the word “astronaut” is actually spelled?
Because details matter, especially if you’re trying to persuade us you’ve noticed things others have not.
Doccathode can you please read what you have quoted carefully and find out exactly what it means before you come to your wrong conclusions.
Billy was referring to ‘man deriving from apes’ part of the Darwin’s theory of evolution as being wrong and not the entirity of his theory of evolution.
Look man I don’t know what you saw nor have you provided any evidence to back up your claim.
Do you have other independent eyewitnesses to your account to back you up
Do you have photos or videos
Do you have metal samples
Did you get a sound recording of their spaceship
Have the aliens ever talked to you
Have they imparted prophetic information
Did they take you on board their spacecraft to travel into outer space
Did they take you on a timetravel to the past and the future
Did they impart to you significant spiritual knowledge that is out of this world
I never said I didn’t believe you nor have I said I believe you.
Does anal probing count?
A lot frankly to the extent that people should not ignore this fact
If something is copyrighted then it means that subsequent information can’t be backdated because its all out in the open, stored and retrievable in original form at any time.
That is the significance of it which gets lost on people
So the skeptic’s accusation that Billy has backdated all his prophetic and other information is just ludicrous.
Some of Billy’s prophetic information which he came up with with some decades in advance has been fulfilled to the dot
Now how significant is that
see this
If its that important to you then by all means
It means no such thing. And if you’re going to talk about the significance of copyright law, you should know that the term “copyrighted” is ambiguous.
Which do you mean?
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A work with respect to which the author claims copyright protections. (Which attach at the moment of the creation of a fixation.)
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The labeling of a copy of such work with a copyright notice. (Optional)
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Registration with the copyright office. (Optional)
All three of these things can take place at different times.
As I said, I’m done arguing with you regarding Billy Meier, since you have no basis for your argument.
HOWEVER, with moderator hat on, I need to remind you that it is against the rules of this forum to edit the text in a quote box. You may quote different segments of a post in different quote boxes, but you may not intersperse your own text in a quote box with what you’re quoting.
That page is backdated and ludicrously fraudulent. It is a joke.
That asterisk goes nowhere, BTW.
We are saying that every one of Billy’s “Prophecies” are fraudulent. You can’t disprove that by pointing back to the webpage. You could disprove it by pointing to the original. You can’t because we know there never was one, but let’s play the game for a moment.
You mention copyright. In the U.S. copyrights are fixed only if they are registered to provide a legal origination date. You can easily search the Library of Congress’ database. There are three works in the name of Eduard Meier or Eduard Albert Meier, Billy’s legal name. The earliest is dated 1990.
Switzerland has copyright too, but oddly it has no equivalent registration process. I don’t know how dates are legally established in Switzerland. However, any work of Billy’s from 1958 would have corresponded to the terms of the Berne Convention and provisions about dating would have been ruled by their copyright law of 1922.
I searched bookfinder.com for any works by Billy Meier and found nothing before the 1980s. I also checked Google Books and found no references to him before the 1980s.
Billy is a fraud. His prophecies are a fraud. If you want to try to convince us otherwise, show us documentation that he put any of this stuff down on paper before his predictions actually happened. It should be a trivial task to do so.
And stop using magic words like “copyright.” They don’t mean anything because you don’t know what you’re talking about.