Bishop vs trump

Trump went into a cathedral, with news cameras aimed right at his pew, and he thinks the bishop is the one who mixed religion with politics.

I’d like to see her apologize. “I’m sorry, Mr. President, that you have not received the message of mercy from our Lord and savior.”

Trump’s followers are only mad because they know the bishop is right.

They love to whine just like their hero. Trump won. They got everything they wanted. And one woman says something that makes him mad, but still won’t have ANY impact on him carrying out their sick twisted fantasies, and they just lose their minds. They are the most miserable bunch of winners ever.

That could be seen as giving him the credit of assuming he has a conscience, and an understanding of the faith he purports to share, that she could appeal to.

This is the same church that Trump used chemical weapons on in his first term, right?

She spoke truth directly to him, and showed no fear, and in public. This is the right way. She is giving a sermon, not a dialogue.

And doing this in public also models for other Christians a way to think about these issues. See, she wasn’t just speaking to Trump. She was speaking to the nation more broadly about vulnerable populations.

Trump of course will not listen to someone like this woman, because he hates the people she is talking about, and he does not respect women.

Like when Trump does it?

“Speaking of Jesus, have you seen what they did to him? They nailed him to a piece of wood like a dog. It was horrible. It would have never happened if I was president. Next question.”

There was a movie I think a lot of people have forgotten, Mass Appeal, with Jack Lemmon playing the priest(Catholic) of a big, well to do congregation. He’s mentoring a seminary student and the young man, at his first sermon, puts much of the congregation in an uproar. As folks are leaving when mass is over one middle aged woman huffs at Lemmon “I don’t come to church to be preached at!” I immediately though of that scene when the Orange Foolius got upset.

I’ve started calling my Trump cultist friend a CINO. ‘Christian In Name Only’.

Plenty of those over the years. See also re: “whited sepulchres”

I’d say he’s already found that religion, and it’s American Christianity. The Evangelical sect has long been full-throated MAGA, and most of the rest of US “christians” are either going right along or staying silent.

What makes what the bishop said so unique is that it is so unique.

As Episcopal clergy with 100+ sermons under my belt, there is a fine line between preaching to and preaching at, and we are mindful that preaching at is not often well received. We are not evangelical, so the directness of Bp. Budde’s comments at the end of her sermon are not a normal part of our tradition. However, we can and will bring truth to power as she did, and as we continue to do in our respective parishes.

And he had to sit there and listen. That to him is a unique experience. No channel changing or talking over.

That “most” is doing a lot of work. There are many Christians who take Christ’s message seriously. The problem is that that means the actual doing of good takes priority. A church has a budget, would Jesus spend it on the poor, or an ad campaign against people you hate? Which do you think the media covers?

There are few enough self-proclaimed ‘Christians’ speaking out against Trump and his decidedly non-charitable and harmful policies that this story has stood out in stark contrast to all of the Evangelicals and others clothing themselves in ‘the Grace of God’ while boosting a leader who is the antithesis of the values their chief prophet taught his followers to live by.

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I have to point out that the Bishop who lectured trump was an American Christian Bishop.

Now, you are more or less correct about the Evangelical sect

But some 70% or so Americans identify as Christian.

It seems to me that the majority of American Christians need to convert to Regular Christianity, then, because Jesus wouldn’t recognize the magacult as followers of his when they’re shouting things like “DO NOT COMMIT THE SIN OF EMPATHY”.

This. This is a rare event but I wish it would start happening more often. I doubt it will since “Christians” voted for Trump, both White and Hispanic. The majority are supportive of what he is doing.

Twenty-seven percent of American adults in the Gallup Panel interviews identify as “born again,” while 12% identify as “evangelical.”

Maybe so, but who did most of them vote for? And if they voted for Trump, good works aside, could it be said that they are fully taking Christ’s message seriously?

American Christians have long said their values and religion are under attack, and they have been right about that. But the attack never really came and is most certainly not now coming from the Left. The attack is coming from the Right. And Christianity— or really the message of Christ— is losing.