It has lost.
No it hasn’t, not if folks keep fighting for it, for the message the bishop spoke.
All the ones I know vote straight Democrat. We’re not the only ones.
Exactly so.
Bishop Budde is the Bishop of the Diocese of Washington, which has 85 congregations, one of which is St. John’s Episcopal (Layfayette Square), which was the site where Trump went for a photo op after having the square cleared of protestors in 2020.
Washington National Cathedral, where the Tuesday prayer service was held, is the bishop’s seat - which is to say the bishop may at times lead services there. But the principal pastor of the congregation is the dean of the cathedral, who leads several other clergy.
So - same denomination, same diocese, different congregations or particular churches.
Though I am floating in the Venn diagram intersection of agnostic/atheist, I did once believe and noodled with the idea of becoming a military padre. That all being said, I do believe that if everybody truly believed and followed the teachings of Christ there would probably be far less suffering and violence, even though many of us would be making some material sacrifice.
Everything Trump and his ilk, including evangelical so-called Christians, believe, is basically the opposite of what Christ preached. So, bravo Bishop Budde for saying what should be said, that so many fail to say.
And questioning preaching in a church does seem rather strange.
I’m sure King David was a little put of by the prophet Nathan.
This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 9 Why did you despise the word of the Lord by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites.
That tongue-lashing is 3,000 years old. Trump better get used to criticism.
About 50/50.
Right.
I concur.
That is very unlikely
https://www.prri.org/spotlight/religion-and-the-2024-presidential-election/
At best it’s like 60-40, but that’s being very generous.
White non evangelical is 57/ 42 (and that by far is the largest group) , Hispanic catholic is 43/55.
This could be rather biased, but it shows-
Simply put,
among self-identified Christians, President Trump won a 56% share of their vote.
So, how about we split the difference? About 55% Which isnt terribly far from 50/50 but far enough so I cant say I was right. But 60/40 is too far the other way. 56%?
Still now where near the 90% or so people seem to be thinking. And if we cut off the evangelicals*- it come pretty close to 50/50 .
*which is an excellent idea. 
Moderating:
I realize this is your thread, @DrDeth, but:
I’m going to head this hijack off at the pass. This thread is to discuss Bishop Budde’s sermon that included an ask of Trump and the reactions to her ask, not to nitpick about how many Christians voted for Trump. That’s for another thread. Thanks.
Thank you for this really insightful post. As I have tried to make clear multiple times in this thread, I am in full agreement that the substance of her message. I am not now, and have never defended Trump. The unusual directness, however, made me think that the time and place for that message was slightly inappropriate. Thank you for acknowledging that instead of starting a pit thread on how I must be some sort of troll for even thinking that.
But I am starting to realize that there are indeed times where such a direct, personal plea in a sermon is indeed warranted, and this may well have been one of those times. So, in light of your post, and several others, I withdraw my even slight objection to the sermon based on forum non conveniens. Thanks for the enlightening discussion.
Direct pleas are exactly what sermons are for. A pastor who isn’t making direct pleas in their sermons isn’t doing their job.
To be fair, that may have been the first real sermon (that is, one with more than platitudes) Trump has experienced.
If she gets removed from her position that would be very telling.
I can imagine his shock; first, ‘Hey, she’s talking about me!’, followed by, ‘Hey, what is she saying about me?’
Stranger
I have a difficult time imagining that that would happen. The U.S. Episcopal Church is fairly liberal on most social issues, though about one-third of its membership self-identifies as politically conservative.
Immediately after the election in November, the head of the Episcopal Church, Bishop Sean Rowe, sent a letter to the denomination, saying (as per Wikipedia), “We are Christians who support the dignity, safety, and equality of women and LGBTQ+ people as an expression of our faith”, adding “I pray that President Trump and his administration will do the same.”
But, then again, we live in very strange times, so I suppose I shouldn’t discount any possibility.
Building off what SunUp and kenobi_65 have already posted: Bishop Budde is the Episcopal Bishop of Washington, D.C. The Presiding Bishop, the top cleric of the Episcopal Church (who was not there), is the Rt. Rev. Sean W. Rowe.
Not gonna happen. She’s got that gig for as long as she cares to hold it, and that was so even before this service. Episcopal bishops can only be removed for office for serious misconduct, not merely for annoying elected officials.
That’s why I said it’s it’d be telling. It would show that Trump had power over even the most liberal of Christian churches.
On November 6, 2024, the day after the 2024 United States presidential election, Rowe sent a letter to members of the Episcopal Church, stating “We are Christians who support the dignity, safety, and equality of women and LGBTQ+ people as an expression of our faith”, adding “I pray that President Trump and his administration will do the same.”[27]
I think she is safe.
In a church, delivered by the pastor/priest/minister, in his/her pulpit, when isn’t it warranted?