Black Africans and Ancient Egypt?

How many of the old Irish race tropes are still floating around? Irish Pride/people are readily accepted in many ways that AfAm are stigmatized.

Do you not see the value of the Black Pride movement when we have posters who in other threads advocate their genetic inferiority/criminality? Or their non-existence/contribution to the history of mankind? Are you blind to this?

There’s been an announcement of a new TV series about Cleopatra. No actors have been announced, but I will be very surprised if the lead actress is not portrayed by a person of color.

Oddly? That’s the same mummy-DNA study I just bumped the thread with.

But it’s like when recently someone in these forums was surprised that there wasn’t a noticeable black population in Spain until recently, since Africa is “right there”. Africa is, subsaharian Africa is not. We’re also short on blue-eyed blondes, and it’s easier to get here from places where blue-eyed blondes are common than from the Gulf of Guinea.

Wars between the north and south of the Sahara? If you tell me there have been substantial ones (comparable with the ones involving the northern shores of Africa and any notion you care to name between Persia and Portugal) I believe you, but can you give me a few references to learn more about them? Slave raids? Yes, local - some slaves and some traders made their way across the Sahara (mainly by the coasts), but the volumes were tiny compared with the wars, raids and trade between the southern shores of the Mediterranean and the rest of it or of the Levant.

I am a person of color, i dont know any person who is devoid of color except casper the ghost
What color is greece?

The Sahara used to be less of a barrier to gene flow than it later became- there was a period about 11,000 to 5,000 years ago when portions of it were more like grasslands than deserts. Rainfall was estimated at 10 times what it is today.

I’m not gong to get into what is appropriate and not appropriate terminology, especially when you and everybody else who read my post new exactly what I meant.

Oops! Didn’t see that stealthy ninja coming!
Sorry.

IIRC, the color of red ink?

I was answering the specific question about the two populations being able to make contact; I didn’t mean to sound like I was supporting the afro-Egyptian claims.

It’s beyond any doubt that there was regular trade contact between Dynastic Egypt and Nubia. Not just along the river, either.

*Nobody *expects the stealth ninja mummies! :smiley:

I once read a book about the Irish kings being descended from Tutankhamun.

It wasn’t entirely convincing on the core issue, but it had some interesting information on ancient connections between Britain and the middle east.

They are now finding possible pre-hominid remains in Greece, but never mind.

Question to anthropologists: Did black Africans ever settle in coastal north Africa, or were they limited to the south of the Niger river?

Ancient connections between Britain and the Mediterranean is often believed to have included Phoenician trading in tin, but hard evidence is lacking.

There was an entire movement - the British Israelites - which argued that the British were the chosen people, and which required that they somehow have a connection to God country. the easiest way to do this was to self-identify as one of the lost tribes of Israel, but not Jewish.

You can probably allow yourself the luxury of being completely unconvinced by it - its all just garbage from first principals onwards.

there is recorded 'black african’population in the Maghreb on the north edges of the Sahara from the classical times and the native Berber tradition is they are the “original people” and they are differentiated from the people who are considered to have come from the medieval slave trade (there is a different name for them in the Chilha language), and in earliest records spoke a language seeming to be related to the Songhai, a Saharan language. (see here in Algeria wikipediaon one ouasis population, the Balbalia. It is also claimed the Saharan berber language Zenata, shows the influence of a Songhai type language)

It is in the archaelogical record as has been already linked in this thread that the Saharan up to 8-10 thousand years ago was much wetter and inhabited by the cattle herders who by the skeleton records perhaps were related or like the Peul and the Songhai as a population.

In the drying out of the Sahara, from the small populations of the ‘original people’ you can guess that some of the cattle herder nomadic population that you might call ‘black african’ but of the Peul type ended up on the north and not the south side of the Sahara.

Definitely. Or does Egypt not count?

Black Africans were also found in Greece in classical times. IIRC one of the theories of what the Plauge of Athenshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Athens is Ebola. Plus Thucydides states that the opinion at the time suggested it came from Africa.

The Sahara is hardly an impenetrable barrier, rather, people have been crossing it regularly for centuries:

We are, however, speaking of a period of several millennia. About six of them.