Or possibly better pupils (meaning, most likely, smarter parents). That’s my takeaway from this finding:
And it also just confirms my sense that the Deep South (which I’ve never visited although I did grow up in North Carolina) is an ignorant backwater.
Similar results are observed on most metrics: health and healthcare, obesity rates, crime rates, teenage pregnancy and divorce…
I was reflecting on this and it occurred to me that the red states are also net takers of federal dollars.
Since Republicans are always going on about performance based standards, I think it’s time to ask, “What are they doing with our money?” If they can’t show Improvement, it’s time to cut them off.
Not that I don’t believe you…but can I get a cite on that? I’d love to see that actual numbers.
Yep I live in North Carolina and I can confirm I am an ignorant hick barely capable of dressing myself and listen to Rush everyday
Here’s an article on it.
This can be answered in two words Simpsons paradox.
So, puddleglum, what do you think would be the better way of looking at the data, to support a different conclusion?
Don’t feel bad, not every Rush fan is a libertarian
It’s statistical hand-waving. By and large, states don’t pay taxes or receive federal money; individuals do. The numbers shown essentially just reflect progressive taxation and the fact that wealthy people tend to live in and around large cities rather than rural areas.
Top 10 states by school quality: from Quality Counts 2013 - State Report Cards
MD MA NY VA AR FL GA NJ WV KY
About even blue/red, wouldn’t you say?
Can you state how Simpson’s paradox explains the observed relationships?
One has to demonstrate that Simpson’s paradox has affected an observed relationship. One cannot just wave a hand over any relationship and magically utter “Simpson’s paradox” to make it go away.
I see a relationship between alcohol intake and intoxication levels. Simpson’s paradox! This isn’t the correlation you were looking for.
That, and the fact that both military spending and Social Security payments are included in “federal spending” in those stats, and the “red states” tend to have more army bases and pensioners.
BART: Errrrmmm . . . “You’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t”?
In every school district in the country, asians score better on tests than whites, and whites score better than latinos and blacks. So states with fewer black and latinos students do better on tests.
For example black students in Texas do better on tests than black students in Wisconsin, hispanic students in Texas do better on tests than hispanic students in Wisconsin, and white students in Texas do better on tests than white students in Wisconsin. The gap between white students and black students on tests is much smaller in Texas than in Wisconsin. Yet on average, students in Texas score worse on tests than students in Wisconsin.
People that vote Republican are more susceptible to Obama conspiracy theories, just as people that vote Democrat are more susceptible to Bush and Cheney conspiracy theories. Education does not enter in to it.
Looking at who is funding or funded by the federal government certainly is not the be all end all of ratifying state policy, but it is relevant.
It means that one can’t look at school results and say “sure, their schools are better, but they get craploads of money from the feds! If we didnt send them so much money their schools would suck!” Not that anyone is saying that in this thread.
How is it that individuals receive more federal money than states?
:rolleyes:
This presumes that academic performance level is fixed by race, so that measures of performance by school or region are impacted by student race.
An alternative, less racist and eminently more likely explanation is that disproportionately more black kids are educated in red state schools and suffer poorer outcomes as a result.
See the “black students in Texas do better on tests than black students in Wisconsin” part of the post to which you were responding.
What federal money are you thinking of that goes to states? Block grants and the like may be administered by the states but are distributed to individuals.