That’s a myth. Society remained patriarchal long after most of them got beyond any “the biggest guy is in charge” stage. Being big and strong won’t help you if the little skinny guy with the funny gold hat has a few thousand other big and strong guys on his side.
I hold with the theory that men have historically been in charge for a reason that has nothing to do with individual ability; men are instinctively more prone to organize than women. Men are more inclined to form gangs, teams, alliances, old-boys-networks. Women can do those things - but for them it’s a learned response; culture, not instinct. So historically women have been on the losing end because usually conflict between the genders has almost always been a matter of many men acting in unison against one or a few women. It was only with the rise to prominence of political pressure groups, when tens and hundreds of thousands of women formally organized that the playing field was leveled and women finally began to reach social equality; not because of muscle power, but because of organization.
You’re basically just avoiding the real question here. The point is that cultural/religious brainwashing makes assertions of “choice” in these matters rather questionable at best.
You are the same poster who came whining about how much you’d upset your daughter when you accidently told her you were an atheist, despite your professed beliefs here, and suggest that your kids must follow a morality that you decree, despite the fact that it has been shown repatedly on these boards that your moral views are hypocritical and self-contradictory. Hell, you’ve done it in this thread by claiming that D/s relationships cannot possibly be consensual, and comparing them to Sharia law.
You are a fucking hypocrite. You raise your children in a repressive religious fashion, as far as I can tell because you are pussywhipped*, and come here claiming that people may not raise children in a repressive religious manner, and may not consent to an unequal relationship.
*I’m sure you will claim you do it because you love and respect your wife. It’s clear from your posts that you despise religion, but for some reason you help those you claim to care about to persist in believing it. Also, the women in these “biblical marriages” probably believe they love and respect their husbands. They don’t, they are simply too scared to stand up themselves. The difference between you and them is, in many cases, they don’t know any better. You do.
Well, on paper and in most marriages, you surrender the right to fuck that cute redhead from Accounts Receivable. That’s some scrapped pursuit of happiness right there.
Whoa, whoa. I was enjoying the well-deserved slap at Dio until this. Who are you to say they’re scared, or don’t know better? That is exactly like Dio saying that submissives, or women in poly relationships, are just deluded victims–that he knows what’s good for them better than they know themselves–isn’t it?
You’re completely imagining this stuff. You have mental problems, dude.
For the record, asshole, if you’d ever read my posts, you’d see that I’ve always told my kids they can believe whatever they want and are free to stop going to church whenever they want. As a matter of fact, we’ve pulled them out of Catholic school now at their own request.
One more thing, just for the record, I haven’t said a fucking thing about “Biblical marriage” in this thread or the other. This thread has nothing the fuck to do with Biblical marriage. Even the subject of the OP didn’t say his attitude had anything to do with religion. I was pitting comments he made about women. I couldn’t give a fuck less what you want to marry. That’s got fuck all to do with what I’m pitting.
You’re right, that was an inappropriate generalisation. I will suggest that the brainwashing that goes with the sort of religions that support these “relationships” can lead to people not knowing better, though.
For what it’s worth, I used to be a fundamentalist christian, about as hardcore as it gets in the UK. I saw how much damage it can do to people, and the techniques they use to control people. However, if someone chooses that, it is of course their right, and I’m sure that some people are happy in that.
Dio, my only mental problem seems to be an inability, once having read and understood your posts, to forget their content the way you seem to. I’m glad you’ve stopped brainwashing your children though. Have you also stopped beating you wife?
Lemme 'splain something, Bosstrain. Me? Shorter, fatter, weaker, and possessing of less endurance than you.
However, should I determine that you need to have your arm broken (and by need I mean: if value “arm” != “broken”, phouka OR phouka-loved-ones OR innocent-bystanders = “dead” OR “badly hurt”), you will have a broken arm and the damage will escalate quickly from there.
Actually, no you won’t. Any situation where I think “if I don’t break his arm, he’s going to hurt me/mine” is automatically going to be, “if I don’t stop him, he’s going to hurt me/mine.” Breaking a person’s arm on purpose is fairly challenging. Killing them isn’t.
I, and really any other person with a brain, is not going to give fair warning, not going to fight by Duke of Queensbury rules, talk trash, or even comment as to what an unadvised and ill-calculated decision you’ve just made.
I will, however, sidle quietly (and you probably won’t notice me because I’m dumpy, plain, and getting fairly gray haired) until I’m out of your peripheral vision, and then I’m going to pick up something - a 2x4, a pipe, some rebar, a small fire extinguisher, a cast iron frying pan, shovel, a bag of golf balls, whatever’s handy - and I’m going to end you.
If I’m sure I can manage it, I’m going to aim for the bottom of your skull. At the very least, you’re going to be unconscious and probably blind for the rest of your life due to the damage to your occipital lobes. More likely, if you’re not completely out after the first hit, I’m going to continue hitting you until the occipital bone of your skull is a jigsaw puzzle, and the underlying brain is reduced to cottage cheese. If you’re not immediately dead, you will be in a couple of hours when your brain herniates through the exit to your spinal cord.
If I’m not sure I can manage that, I will hit you as hard as I can across the back, just below your rib cage, where your kidneys are. Again, if you don’t go down and stop being a threat, I’ll just keep hitting you a whole lot, until you do. (Your comment about “you get one shot” is a dead give away that you really haven’t been in any fights. Excepting Special Forces and people on really quality drugs, if you get shot anywhere, you are down until you’ve had sufficient medical treatment, and then you are, at best, walking wounded.)
And the thing is? I won’t be alone. I am an extremely reasonable person (unless there’s mocha involved, and then all bets are off). I can count, off the top of my head, a minimum of seven people, who if I said “Bosstrain needs killing” and explained why, they would either be standing aside with cleaning supplies and a tarp, or they’d provide a distraction, an alibi, or a batting line up. They are also eminently reasonable people who are undoubtedly smaller, weaker, slower, fatter, and possessing of less endurance.
So, please remember, while you give your Mr. Macho speech about how you could break my arm like a toothpick, that worldview really only works up to about the chimpanzee level. Now that the rest of us have acquired the ability to think and communicate abstract thoughts, we will listen to your speech and nod and actually be thinking of all the places on your body that one strike would render you harmless and/or dead.
6" long sharp object through eye or nose to pierce brain; blunt trauma to mid-throat crushing trachea; blunt trauma to back of skull; sharp instrument across throat to sever jugular and/or carotid arteries; or stabbed straight down just above the right clavicle and wiggled around to sever subclavian artery; or just to left of sternum, below fourth rib, to puncture heart and pericardium; or just below lower edge of right ribs, angled up to puncture liver and cause massive bleed; or across midline of abdomen to sever major artery and/or vein; deeper to puncture intestines and cause incredibly slow, painful death of peritonitis and sepsis; deep cut across underside of arm, to sever major artery/vein; deep cut on inside of thigh, near groin, to sever major artery/vein; puncture wounds to lungs or kidneys; ice pick to base of skull to pierce brain; blah blah blah blah blah
There are a whole lot of ways to die instantly. Standing up on a platform and showing off your big muscles just makes you a better target. You are not alive because you are especially tough. You are alive because you haven’t annoyed the other walking monkeys to the point that they’re willing to kill you.
