There is a difference between an 11 year old and a 15 year old (most times). It’s puberty.
Secretly lusting after a post-pubescent teenager: kinda oogy, but understandable
Secretly lusting after a pre-pubescent child: sick.
Actually, biggirl, a fair number of eleven year old girls are in fact post-pubescent, but it’s still sick, IMHO. At that age, I don’t care if they’ve got boobs, they’re just way too damned young even to look at that way.
As sugaree said, those next four years do a lot.
And, yes, parkov, Britney’s fans are going to be between 10 and 15, but you’re the only one lumping them all together. The point everybody here agrees on (possibly excepting you) is that there’s a big difference between ogling 15 year olds (reasonable, when they’ve tarted themselves up to be ogled) and drooling over 10 year olds (sick, under all circumstances).
I expect we do lump them together in one manner: if we’re adults, we keep our hands off the lot of them, regardless of where our eyes may roam.
We are biologically wired to lust after men and women of who look fit to breed- whether we actually want to “breed” or not. The fact that a fifteen year old is off-limits in our culture hinges on those last three words- in our culture. It is not sick when, say, a 27 year old marries a 15 year old in a hunter-gatherer culture or the hills of Afghanistan, and it was not sick when it happened back in the day in America, Europe, and Japan. With the mores and community support, a 15 year old in one of those societies is prepared to mate and breed. In most of the world where people habitually read the Straight Dope, 15 year olds are not emotionally equipped to settle down and raise a family, and to some degree many of them are not ready for our modern invention of dating and hooking up. But, “in a different time and place” they would be fair game. So to reiterate: lusting after 15 year olds- natural. Lusting after 11 years olds- yucky.
Me, I can’t feel lust for 15 or 16 year old guys, no matter how buff. They always have this unboiled look. They are not done, not properly seasoned.
We are biologically wired to lust after men and women of who look fit to breed- whether we actually want to “breed” or not. The fact that a fifteen year old is off-limits in our culture hinges on those last three words- in our culture. It is not sick when, say, a 27 year old marries a 15 year old in a hunter-gatherer culture or the hills of Afghanistan, and it was not sick when it happened back in the day in America, Europe, and Japan. With the mores and community support, a 15 year old in one of those societies is prepared to mate and breed. In most of the world where people habitually read the Straight Dope, 15 year olds are not emotionally equipped to settle down and raise a family, and to some degree many of them are not ready for our modern invention of dating and hooking up. But, “in a different time and place” they would be fair game. So to reiterate: lusting after 15 year olds- natural. Lusting after 11 years olds- yucky.
Me, I can’t feel lust for 15 or 16 year old guys, no matter how buff. They always have this unboiled look. They are not done, not properly seasoned.
AAUGH! Not a double post!!! Make it go away!!!
oh the shame…
I’m a fifteen-year-old girl, and I have to say that being oggled by an older guy can really freak me out. Yes, we may dress a little bit provacatively, but that’s not for you! It’s for the guys OUR age! So go find someone your own age to enjoy.
Have you heard Ms. Spears’ new song? I heard it coming home tonight. She’s singing with some guy that I didn’t recognize. I actually thought I heard her say “What can I do to get you to sleep with me?”
And she keeps saying Nasty in one of those deep husky whispers in the background of the song.
I don’t know about you but I definitely wouldn’t want any of my 10 or 12 y.o. relatives listening to that. I was under the impression that Britney was trying to be some sort of role model for these girls. I guess she figured out there’s more money in just marketing herself as a piece of skin.
She was cuter when she looked younger and wore those little plaid skirts and braids, anyway.
…so it’s okay if a guy your age ogles you? Personally, I don’t like being ogled period, age of the ogler nonwithstanding. To be honest, though, if I were dressing provactively and the ogler weren’t doing anything (or didn’t look like he was planning on doing something), it wouldn’t bother me that much. If I’m showing something, it’s usually 'cause I either want people to look at me, or I don’t care. Except for that one time, when I didn’t know how revealing my shirt was… :o.
Anyway, may I pose a question?
I am 19. My sister is 13. I look young enough to almost pass for a middle schooler (almost). My sister looks legal. Mind you, these are just looks; all doubts about our ages go out the window when we talk. So which guy is less “perverted”: the one who checks me out, or the one who checks my sister out (assuming he doesn’t know either of our ages)?
[Kevin Spacey] Hello, my name is Lester Burnham. [/KS] A buddy of mine and I have a code phrase when we spot one of these tarted up Britney fans: “Will the defendant please rise…” 
This thread reminds me of a clip of a thirtysomething show I saw one time. One male character looks at the other one and says, “You know what’s the worst part of getting older? Teenage girls no longer notice you.”
I’m 33 and I have to say that teenage girls didn’t look like they do now when I was a teenager. (Prolly a good thing too, since my hormones were so out of control. I’d hate to think what a 16 year old version of myself would do when confronted with one of today’s tarts! :eek: )
Wonderful OP, Sofa.
parkov, I was hoping that that’s what your intent was.
Gotcha, but there is a considerable difference between your hypothesized situation and the OP.
The OP acknowledged a helpless attraction which was distressing to him. The “sea of learner’s permits” he referred to indicates the age of the subjects as =>16. “one girl who I would have happily bounced on my knee five years ago. In another three years I’d have her bouncing again, all right.” So it’s clear that girls of the age you posited (11) were of absolutely no erotic interest, but that the OP considers nineteen fair game. Not so egregious, that.
Plenty of 15-year-olds appear mature at a glance. I dare-say that some 15-year-olds actually are mature. (Well, I was, anyway, and from what I understand girls mature somewhat faster.) Would I go there? Not on your life, although where I live, it would be perfectly legal. I’m with sugaree, although I find her culinary metaphors a little alarming. [sup]You haven’t got a red hour-glass tattooed on your abs by any chance, sugaree?[/sup] 
And SofaKing, this wouldn’t happen to be the Playground of the Damned, would it? 'cuz it seems to be where the Britney Spears fans hang out. Maybe you should move across town, just to be on the safe side.
Larry, is it me, or does that website look like a low-class porn site? All caps, bright colors, the presence of “galleries”. Eeeeww.
No, it’s not just you. It took me a while to make sure that it wasn’t. I found it by google image-searching for “britney spears concert” – an experience which in itself was enough to give me hives.
But, Larry! Hives can add ridges and bumps to your unit that can mean “that extra touch that means so much” to your current sweetums!
[Garth from Wayne’s World]Eeeeeeew![/Garth from Wayne’s World]
Don’t agree with the exact wording here, but I must say I do agree with the spirit of this post. Why don’t you guys just say “Boy I wish I could fuck that 15 year old girl, but I cant. Shucks…” because that is what is implied here.
Actually, I think what they’re saying is Boy, I wish a girl who LOOKED LIKE THAT FIFTEEN YEAR OLD was actually 21 so I could fuck her like crazy.
The thing with the Britney look is we ladies grow out of it and begin to wear khakis and horrid things like that.
sigh.
I remember when I was 15 and found out one of my celebrity crushes was 29. TWENTY NINE! I screamed…that’s too old.
sigh again
I just checked out all the appropriate articles of the Penal Code for the jurisdiction I’m in, and guess what, I could, if I wanted to . Heck, with her parents’ (and a court-appointed Dept. of Family Services examiner’s) consent I could marry her. But I just won’t.
And anyway Sofa King, welby1, Tuckerfan and others do not seem to me to be saying “wish I could” so much as: “yikes!”
Tuckerfan: around here the street phrase for the relevant population group translates roughly into “She wears a delicate scent of District Attorney”.
Because the OP would not have been anywhere near as entertaining. Plus this doesn’t really cover the unease the OP feels at being attracted to all the young nubiles.
And monica, unless you live in an alternate Teenage Universe where all men over 18 are struck blind, then expect to get looked at. Especially if you dress provocatively. And if you are dressing like Ms Spears you are dressing provocatively.
What Biggirl said.
I agree with you once again, Biggirl. I can’t imagine why the hell a girl would dress like that and not want to be looked at.
And another thing: What do you call this phenomenon, anyway? 10-15 year old girls dress like they want some, but are actually too young (especially as far as maturity is concerned) yet women by own age, mid-twenties, dress like they don’t.
Either that or I just don’t get out enough. Probably the latter.
At any rate, I’m very put off by such young lasses dressing like that. Do they realize they are tempting much older men by pretending to be older themselves? Obviously not, as monica said earlier.
I also don’t get why they would want to attract any attention like that at all at that age. I didn’t even start dating until I was 17.
Of course, I’ve always been a real geek, so that would make sense.
Ah, I’ve had enough. Good OP.
There is nothing secret about the lust in this thread. We have a bunch of fully-grown men being incredibly shameless and self-congratulatory about their unsavoury fantasies. While I can understand mistaking somebody underage for someone older, the language used here (especially in the original post) makes it seem that age actually plays a significant part in these sordid thoughts.
Words like ‘defile’ and ‘nymphette’ (it’s nymphet, by the way) show that this is not a case of ‘poor, stupid men’ being confused about the grey area between childhood and adulthood. This is a thread where men are openly boasting about actively seeking out young girls to leer at.
** RTFirefly** (and others:)
‘…if they’re old enough to enthusiastically show off their boobs, midriffs, and what have you, then they’re old enough to ogle.’
Are you serious? Surely you’re aware that many of these girls (especially the ones at the EARLY end of teenage-hood) are not dressing like this for your benefit, and may not even be trying to dress sexy at all. Many are just testing boundaries; seeing how they can shock and impress peers, parents, and other authority figures. Others are simply emulating their favourite pop singer, unaware of the connotations clothing like that has, particularly in the eyes of dirty old men. Of course, many more are dressing to look ‘sexy,’ but I’m sure a lot of them would be disgusted, worried, and shocked to hear that a man in his thirties (‘eww! Old guy!’) had been eyeing their still developing bodies. They aren’t simply doing it for you. While you are well within your rights to look, I don’t think it’s particularly something to be proud of. Gawping at quite obviously under-aged girls is pretty unpleasant. It’s just not acceptable. And to be honest, your simple claims that you wouldn’t act upon these thoughts, that you’re married, and well aware of the law, are not comfort enough. Knowing that some you are capable of fantasising about children young enough to be your daughter is very worrying to me. I know that many (if not most) adults are capable of keeping fantasies as strictly that, but there are plenty of others who have to play things out, and I’ve had first-hand experience of this. Being sixteen (and hopefully pretty qualified to comment on teen girls’ motivations for wearing ‘sexy’ clothing), I haven’t a daughter of my own, but I wouldn’t be caught alone with any of you.
I actually thought this whole thread was some joke I hadn’t caught on to, some mockery of men who DO have these attitudes towards women (and girls). I simply couldn’t believe that one person could get away with saying such awful, disrespectful things, and actually have people laugh, clap him on the back, and bemoan their miserable situation: That of being an older man stuck in a world full of beautiful teenage girls, who are obviously gagging to be ‘defiled’ and ‘bounced,’ but are forbidden to be ‘seen to’ by law. Your attitude repulses me. This thread has made my skin crawl.
I apologise for not being particularly good-humoured about this, and I assure you that I’m not so ‘conservative’ in regards to most issues. Having been personally affected by men who think it’s acceptable (if a little ‘amusing’) to look at children in this way, I simply cannot see this as just a silly joke or a perfectly normal and harmless way of thinking. I hope that you have all been honest in saying that you haven’t, and wouldn’t, touch a little girl in this way.
You have the right to freedom of thought and to post about it here, but I don’t see why you’d WANT to. Some things just aren’t funny, or clever, or particularly anything to be proud of. What shocks me most, like Parkov, is that this wasn’t just one person with a slightly unconventional (and distasteful) point of view. It’s a whole group of men. Again, like Parkov, these attitudes and ways of speaking aren’t just worrying and horrible because they’re directed towards teenagers, but because they are directed to women in general.
Besides, squeezing yourself onto a train to get your jollies from being pressed up against ANYBODY is rather pathetic.