BSG: Season 3, Episode 14: "The Woman King"--Spoilers

Not prosecuted, though, owing to the general pardon issued by Roslin a while back. Presumably, Baltar, being the sole collaborator who was AWOL at the time the pardon was issued, is therefore the only person who can face legal sanction for his actions during the occupation. Though one wonders if a clever attorney might not try to make hay out of the specific language of the pardon, in an attempt to get it to cover Baltar as well. (“What, precisely, does ‘in this fleet’ actually mean, Madame President?”)

  1. Has EvilDoc ever NOT been a bad guy?

  2. Is the Pop Tart the ugliest baby or what?

Pretty mediocre episode. Seems kind of like some of the filler stuff from other seasons.

During the “previously on” segment…did we see that stuff in the previous episode? I don’t recall anything about these Sagittarons being in a previous ep.

-Joe

I’m thinking maybe Athena hopped a Raptor over to DS9 and got her some Worf loving. The Poptart has a Klingon forehead, without the ridges…

Dating a machine is NOT honorable!
ALthough, she is…cute…for a toaster.

the Pop-tart also looks nothing like either parent, Grace Park is Korean, i see no Korean features in the Pop-Tart, heck, i see none of Tamoah Pinkett’s features there either, casting needs to do a better job of finding a child actor that looks more like either “parent” actor

then again, i havent exactly inspected scenes with the Pop-Tart too directly, because most of those scenes consist of her whining or crying an i frakking HATE that sound, goes right up my spine, i keep the closed captioning on, and any peep out of the Pop-Tart immediately has me hitting mute

no, i wouldn’t be a good daddy at all, have no patience for kids

Exonerated in the eyes of the high command, at least in an official, legal sense. But the shit that Baltar said to and about him was antagonistically accusatory, enough so that he tried to murder him. If I were Baltar, I’d try to take as many people out with me, muddy the waters as much as possible, diffuse blame, try to implicate society as a whole in the New Caprica fiasco. That, as much anything else, may be why people would want to lynch him rather than let him have his say.

Funny, I was thinking that they did a good job of picking an actor who looks like she could be half Asian and half European.

Me too. She looks like a little baby Kristen Kreuk (who is of mixed Dutch and Indonesian/Chinese Jamaican ancestry.)

Oh, and venturing into big-ass plothole territory…

Why was Dualla, a member of the military and wife of the #2 (#3? So confusing!) guy in said military going to the civilian doctor?

And since when is Cottle a quack? Isn’t that what one of our characters implied last night?

-Joe

Since he chain smokes while diagnosing cancer? :slight_smile:

I thought she didn’t like him because she was a Saggiataron or how ever one spells it.

It wasn’t that he’s a quack. It’s that he’s ham-handed with things – jabbing you with a needle instead of gently inserting it, for instance. Sounded to me like she wanted to go to someone who had a bit more bedside manner.

Baltar was a traitor for arranging the stay on that dopey planet, where they could be and were trapped by the Cylons. It wasn’t for the good of the people, but the good of Baltar urged on by Number Sex. He obviously was unpopular with the population as things got bad on the planet, hogging the good looking whores and the best cigars and all that, but you can’t blame him for surrendering to overwhelming odds. He was a collaborator, but at least showed some reluctance to sign the death warrants. I think it is good that they try to make him not cartoonish evil, but it would be nice if he resisted the Toasters more. So give him a trial, acquit him for the death warrants, but show him the air lock for everything else.

If you ask me, Adama & Co. should simply kiss those crybaby civilians goodby and head off for earth without them.

And could someone on the Galactica or Colonial One think to ask Sharon with the pop tart exactly what is this great plan of the Cylons? Does anybody know?

I can’t remember for sure now, but didn’t Zarek encourage him to use New Caprica in order to win the election? Roslyn opposed anything but a short rec leave. But the people wanted to stay, so Baltar gave the people what they wanted.

I agree with all the points that tear at the credibility of this episode: baby’s blood curing cancer but not disease; Helo accepting one laywoman’s opinion over many other opinions; Caprican medical records saved in humanity’s desperate flight; Cottle doing an autopsy but not doing a simple blood check; etc. The weakest aspect was having this doctor pop up out of nowhere with a big history with Tigh and Cottle. You are made to know he’s the bad guy. That’s just soap opera sloppy.

What if, instead, they’d addressed the issue of too little medicine for all and who was deserving of the rations? What if they had found a “typhoid-mary” that was spreading the disease and had to face isolating or killing the person to prevent an epidemic? What of facing the problem of religious belief versus keeping the cramped populace safe? They say, “Oh, but we couldn’t get an answer for all that in one episode”. We answer, “Okay, make it a subplot in an arc.”

Again it seems like some writers were tasked with, “Give us a one episode story so we can be sure to get viewers who are scared of getting lost in long story arcs.”

One more observation: Tigh said something like, “stupid Saggitarons believing in superstitions and rituals thousands of years old.” To which Helo should have replied, “Yes, and how is that search for that mythical Earth going, by the way?”

Baltar showed some resistance to the Cylons to signing the death warrants. And then signed them anyway, instead of dying. For all the Colonials know, he happily signed the death warrents, just like they think he happily went along with everything else the Cylons got up to on New Caprica. He was their Quisling.

He has no evidence to prove that he’s not guilty of the death warrants, the detention centers, and everything else that went down on New Caprica. He’s toast, unless he weasels like he’s never weaseled before.

I think he’s going to pull some really incredible, manipulative shit and tie the whole human race (what’s left of them) in knots. He’s going to fling it everywhere he can, and it will stick to some people. It will re-ignite bad feelings, some of which are still smoldering (c.f. Tigh’s crack at Helo and his Cylon wife last ep). This is why Zarek is afraid, this is why a lynching looks really appealing for a lot of people. They just want to shut the bastard up, and maybe some of them have reason to be afraid of what Baltar will say.

Ultimately, for those who want to lynch him, it doesn’t matter if he deserves it or not… does it ever, with lynchings?

Hopefully with next season being only 13 episodes and almost certainly the last season they’ll spend it wraping up the arc and not worry so much about scaring off new viewers.

This is the only one I don’t agree with. Why, in the name of the Lords of Kobol, would a cancer cure also cure a viral infection? Think about it. We have penicillin, but it won’t do squat for the common cold. Why would hybrid blood be a panacea?

As mentioned, Dualla threw in an aside comment about not liking Cottle during the bar scene. It was a pretty weak set up in an episode full of weak set ups. You’d think a military member would be required to go to the military doctor when resources are so strained. Forget about personal preferences. Hell, I have to go through an incredible hassle to see a doctor out of my HMO network–and I’m not stuck on a ship with two doctors and hundreds of sick refugees!

I don’t understand how EvilDoc was stupid enough to try and off someone who’s the wife of the #2 guy and good friend of the #1 guy. I mean, yeah, I get that he hates Sagittarans and all, but going after someone as high profile and connected as Dualla is just crazy dumb. Dumb plot point in a dumb episode!

And count me among those who’s sick of Super Helo! I didn’t like it when he killed the infected cylons, but he’s just over the top now that he’s turned to crime fighting!

He didn’t. I rewatched the ending to make sure I wasn’t crazy. Helo got all paranoid, went to check on her. She said that Dr. Robert gave her something that “kicked the frak out of her.” Turns out it was just a tranq.

However, Helo was still right about Robert, just not about him poisoning Dualla. Simultaneous with Helo’s frantic check on Dee, Tigh had mobilized to arrest Robert. Cottle was with him, admitting he blew off Helo’s crap earlier but later autopsied Mrs. King’s son and looked into the other accusations by Helo, revealing that Robert poisoned other Sagittarons.

Remember, Robert said on his way out in chains, “I didn’t harm her!” Helo responded, “That’s right… she’s one of the good ones.” With obvious (glaringly frakkin’ obvious) parallels to his wife.

I mean, yeah, this ep sucked, but let’s call it sucky for accurate reasons. :wink: