Budgeting Information Please

Here’ my problem. Unless the marriage counselor can perform a miracle, then I will be moving out within the next few months. I have been married for 22 years and before that I lived with my family, so I have no idea how to figure out a budget. I know that I should probably only spend a certain percent of my monthly net on the apartment, and then there are utilities and food, gas, daily living expenses. I’ve never had to do this before and to me it is the scariest part of being separated. Is the someone out there that has a formula to help? You know, one that says __% = rent
__% = dailly living expenses
__% = utilities/bills
because I could sure use that information before I get into some major trouble.

A roommate isn’t possible. My daughter (19) and I will be in the apartment. She is going to college and while she can pay for some things, I’m not expecting her to work full time and go to college. Besides I don’t want to be dependent on someone else again.

Thanks.

I’m so sorry to hear about your troubles. :frowning: I’d always heard that your housing costs should be no more than 1/4 your take home pay, but if you live someplace very expensive 1/3 is more realistic.

Have you tried http://www.kiplinger.com ? They have some handy worksheets for helping you figure out your budget. Make sure that you figure in savings! As we’re living on one income, I know how easy it is to push that aside, but it really is crucial.

Thanks tatertot. Unfortunately since Forbes decided to publish that this area is a great place to live for two years in a row, it no longer is such a great place. Not only is traffic a nightmare, but housing has skyrocketed. I’ll be lucky if I can find a decent place to live for less than 50% of my monthy net. That’s one of the reasons that I was hoping to get some information on budgeting.

I don’t know how to post a link (ingorant newbie that I am), but dollar stretcher.com is very helpful resource. You can get a bunch of money-saving ideas from there. Good luck.

I just downloaded a money management program called just checking. It lets you print out expense reports that show you what percent of money is going where. I also have an excel budget worksheet I created for myself. i can send you a clean copy this evening, off to work now. Don’t fret Smooth, you’ll do just fine. xoxo

I’ve seen the formulas that you’re talking about, SmoothOperator. I don’t have anything right here at my fingertips for you, but just go down to any bookstore and buy a book on budgeting or on managing household finances, and they will have some formulas for you in the form of rough guidelines. Also, I have heard of non-profit centers and/or businesses that will actually sit down with you and help you work out a budget (Consumer Credit Bureaus or something like that?). Or you can check out women’s resource centers if you live near a city.

Most budget guidelines are going to be very general, and there will be a couple different types of guidelines to reflect different living situations and personal priorities. Also, you can make trade-offs. For example, if good, first-rate housing is a big priority for you, then you can allow it eat up a big portion of your budget and scrimp elsewhere by living close to work and using public transportation instead of maintaining a car.

The main idea of a budget isn’t so much to specify exactly what amounts you should spend. The main idea is really to be aware of how much you spend and what you spend it on. Once you figure that out, you can then decide where you want to make trade-offs so that you can live within your salary. Thus, the first step in learning how to budget properly is to keep a log and record every penny you spend during the day. After you’ve done that properly, you can then start looking where to make cuts in order to stay within your paycheck.

In other words, don’t think of it as setting spending limits. Instead, think of it as making trade-offs. If you want to save up for a nice vacation, then cut back on long-distance phone calls for a couple months. Or cancel your cable service and learn to live with broadcast television for a year.

Even though you’re still pre-break-up, you can probably anticipate most of your future daily expenses if you really think about it–food expenses for you and your daughter, clothing, approximate transportation costs (gasoline for the car), etc. Ask around among friends for information on the cost of utilities (water, phone, electric bills) for an apartment. Same with things like insurance bills, loan repayment bills, and other extras. Factor in some extra money for occasional car upkeep and repairs, emergencies, vacations, and entertainment. Add a little more for savings, both toward retirement and as a buffer for other expenses you’ve forgotten about. And then whatever is left over is the amount that you can put into housing.

It may sound a little overwhelming at first. But the main thing is to get a handle on how much money you spend from day to day, week to week, and month to month. Once you figure that out, it’s pretty easy to figure out where to allocate it and where you need to start scrimping. By the way, the two biggest places to scrimp are 1) eating out and 2) gifts. If you need to save money, then start doing your own cooking and eating in, and bake up pans of brownies and give them as gifts at Christmas.

You haven’t indicated whether you need help on other aspects of financial management, such as loans/credit, or savings/investments/IRAs. You can get books on these subjects at the bookstore, and I won’t bother addressing them other than to provide the following caution: When people handle their own finances for the first time, credit cards are usually where they’ll first get into trouble. The simple way of avoiding trouble: Don’t use a credit card unless you’re sure you can completely pay off the balance at the end of the month. If you start carrying a balance from month to month, you’re already halfway to damnation. If cash is running short and you need a short-term loan, don’t use the credit card. Instead, go to a bank and borrow against some other equity or collateral (a house, an IRA) or even take a signature loan. The interest rates on those loans are much lower than credit card interest rates.

By the way, kudos to you for having the foresight to ask for help on finances if you’re headed into a break-up. A lot of wives (and even some husbands) don’t have the first clue about putting together a budget or even balancing a checkbook, and it becomes a big stumbling block when the break-up hits. By all means, get a basic book on the subject at the local bookstore and start reading up, or head over to a woman’s resource center in your area. This stuff is not at all hard to learn. You will find out that most of it is intuitive and quite natural once you are exposed to it. The main thing is to go out and get yourself exposed to it in some fashion, so that you can start planning ahead.

Just remember: Money is not a goal. Instead, it is a tool for achieving other goals. You simply have to learn how to handle that tool correctly. There’s no big mystery to it.

Sorry to hear of your impending break-up, SmoothOperator. I’m hoping for enough of a miracle so that you can keep your marriage together. If that doesn’t come to pass, then I hope the break-up represents the start of a new and much better life.

Smoothy, try picking up a book by Ron Blue, entitled ‘Taming the Money Monster’. It has some good pointers.

My condolences on the breakup. There is a whole gamut of reasons, but a divorce to me is always tragic, and sad, esp. if there are children involved. It sounds like you’re dealing with it pretty well, but if you need to talk, just email me.

SmoothOperator noted: “A roommate isn’t possible. My daughter (19) and I will be in the apartment. She is going to college and while she can pay for some things, I’m not expecting her to work full time and go to college. Besides I don’t want to be dependent on someone else again.”

Hi Sarah – first off, sorry to hear about things. It’s always hard to have a major disruption in your life like that. I’m glad to hear you’ll be living with your daughter, though. It’s nice not being alone at times of crisis, you know?

Now… it is PERFECTLY fine that you sit down with your daughter and have a serious talk. You are facing a financial crisis right now, and I have a sneaking suspision that your daughter pretty much knows that. I’m sure if you bring it up with her, she will be more than willing to sacrifice a bit for her mom. Some ideas:

  • Her financial situation will change drastically. She can do as much as she can to look into government grants and scholarships, as well as student loans.
  • See if she’s willing to take an extra semester’s worth of school, or cut back on summer classes, in order to work extra during that time (and take a lighter load during the academic year).
  • You don’t have to expect her to pay HALF the rent, but there is NOTHING wrong with your daughter paying her own way through school. I did it, and a lot of students do it, too. As an employer, I would MUCH rather interview a recent college graduate, who is a little older because the person worked his/her way through school. The person will probably be far more mature, be financially responsible, and will have good job experience already. Someone with zero work experience straight out of school? I’m taking a risk.

Is your daughter on a big scholarship? Would dad be paying for tuition? Perhaps she can move into the dorms on her scholarship, so you can take in a room mate?

There are a lot of options, Sarah. Don’t feel limited. Remember – this is a TEMPORARY situation.

As for your budget… rent can be as high as 25% of your GROSS (esp. around the SF Bay Area)…

Sit down with all of the bills you’ve had in the past few months and look at what you spend. Make sure you budget in for items you MUST pay (loans, mortgage, credit cards). There are a TON of “tightwad budget” web sites with great tips on how to save for everything else. Small things, like “ride your bike instead of driving!” will save a lot of gas money. Use grocery coupons. Don’t buy books, go to the library. You can save a ton of money by not eating out. If you feel deprived, allow yourself one “meal out” a month, and decide where you want to go (maybe a new place every month?).

Good luck!

Thanks for all of your excellent advise and moral support.

Baglady - My daughter works 25 hours a week. She pays for her gas, car insurance, saves for books, buys many of her clothes, and for her pager and cell phone. She and I have had this discussion about finances and you are right…she is aware of what’s going on and why. My husband should pay for her college education, it’s supposed to be one of the things that we’ve been saving for over the last 20 years. But being aware of his disinclination to spend any money makes me worry about the possibility that he will renege on the entire thing. If so, there are some places for me to check into, relatives, savings bonds, etc.

Vestal Blue - Currently, I’m ok. However, I may hold you in reserve for later when things really hit me…OK?

For the rest of you…thanks again. The scariest part is being on my own, but you guys are just a ISP away, right? :smiley: